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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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 Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: Why are so many E-1 positions giving only E-2? |
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It seems pretty clear that Hogwans and public schools are having a teacher shortage because of the new rules for E-2 Visa. And, I am sure they wish the rules had not changed. So, this is what really shocks me. I have seen position after position that are E-1 positions, but will only give E-2. For example, my university. You need MA or Higher in the field you are teaching, (I have PhD). We only teach univerity credit courses, and only for English majors. We even teach senior level courses. But, to renew they will only give us E-2, so we are leaving. But, now I see over and over top universities wanting MA or Higher to only teach credit courses to English majors, and even to graduate students. They are also only giving E-2. Are these universities crazy?
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:31 am Post subject: |
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It may not be the uni. My good friend's uni tried to get E-1 visas for the teachers. Immigration said "Are they teaching English courses?" Uni said, "The courses are taught in English." The courses were writing, public speaking, debate and some others. Immigration said, "They are English teachers. They can only have E-2 visas."
But with a Ph.D? You should be able to have an E-1 no matter what you teach. Korea sees it differently. |
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Rumple
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Why are so many E-1 positions giving only E-2? |
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| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
It seems pretty clear that Hogwans and public schools are having a teacher shortage because of the new rules for E-2 Visa. And, I am sure they wish the rules had not changed. So, this is what really shocks me. I have seen position after position that are E-1 positions, but will only give E-2. For example, my university. You need MA or Higher in the field you are teaching, (I have PhD). We only teach univerity credit courses, and only for English majors. We even teach senior level courses. But, to renew they will only give us E-2, so we are leaving. But, now I see over and over top universities wanting MA or Higher to only teach credit courses to English majors, and even to graduate students. They are also only giving E-2. Are these universities crazy?
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Are saying that you're choosing not to renew your contract solely because of the type of visa you have to get? There aren't other factors contributing to your decision to go elsewhere? |
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Tobias
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: May I assume? |
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| May I assume those holding E-1s don't have to go back to their home countries and jump through the hoops to get new visas/extensions? If they do not, this would be a good reason for saying 'wiedersehen'. I don't blame you for leaving if so. Round trip to the states will run me 1200-1500 USD, and my college isn't going to pay for it. |
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm an F-5, but several of my colleagues here at the university have the E-2 headache. New international faculty are hired as E-1, but those who have been here are still E-2. They have been told that the only way they could change their status would be to resign, go back to their home countries for a month and then get re-hired. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: May I assume? |
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| Tobias wrote: |
| May I assume those holding E-1s don't have to go back to their home countries and jump through the hoops to get new visas/extensions? If they do not, this would be a good reason for saying 'wiedersehen'. I don't blame you for leaving if so. Round trip to the states will run me 1200-1500 USD, and my college isn't going to pay for it. |
Visa extensions can be done at the local immigration office.
New visas (for changing employers between contracts, etc.) for previous E-2 holders can be done in a 3rd country (not home country, not Korea) as long as there are no violations (crimes, immigration violations) on the teacher's record. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: Why are so many E-1 positions giving only E-2? |
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| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| But, now I see over and over top universities wanting MA or Higher to only teach credit courses to English majors, and even to graduate students. They are also only giving E-2. Are these universities crazy? |
It's not the universities' faults. When the new E2 regs came in, the unis thought they would get around the entire mess by just applying for E1s instead. Immigration caught on quickly and changed the qualifications for E1 visas. It is not adequate enough anymore just to have a Masters or Ph.D to get the E1. It has to be in English or Education or TESOL to get the E1. All other degrees are relegated to E2.
(According to the guy in Daejeon immigration who dealt with our office visa dude) |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Why are so many E-1 positions giving only E-2? |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| But, now I see over and over top universities wanting MA or Higher to only teach credit courses to English majors, and even to graduate students. They are also only giving E-2. Are these universities crazy? |
It's not the universities' faults. When the new E2 regs came in, the unis thought they would get around the entire mess by just applying for E1s instead. Immigration caught on quickly and changed the qualifications for E1 visas. It is not adequate enough anymore just to have a Masters or Ph.D to get the E1. It has to be in English or Education or TESOL to get the E1. All other degrees are relegated to E2.
(According to the guy in Daejeon immigration who dealt with our office visa dude) |
What if a Ph.D in engineering wants to teach engineering courses?
I know people with a Master's in English who are still being denied E-1 visas because they teach English classes. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Why are so many E-1 positions giving only E-2? |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| But, now I see over and over top universities wanting MA or Higher to only teach credit courses to English majors, and even to graduate students. They are also only giving E-2. Are these universities crazy? |
It's not the universities' faults. When the new E2 regs came in, the unis thought they would get around the entire mess by just applying for E1s instead. Immigration caught on quickly and changed the qualifications for E1 visas. It is not adequate enough anymore just to have a Masters or Ph.D to get the E1. It has to be in English or Education or TESOL to get the E1. All other degrees are relegated to E2.
(According to the guy in Daejeon immigration who dealt with our office visa dude) |
What if a Ph.D in engineering wants to teach engineering courses? |
I was tealking specifically about E1s for teaching English, but your example works, too. If I understand correctly what he was saying to get an E1, your post-grad degree must be in the field you are actually teaching.
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| I know people with a Master's in English who are still being denied E-1 visas because they teach English classes. |
You know how inconsistent immigration offices can be in their interpretation of their own policies. I'm going solely on what the Daejeon guy said. Maybe his co-worker would say something different. |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Why are so many E-1 positions giving only E-2? |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| But, now I see over and over top universities wanting MA or Higher to only teach credit courses to English majors, and even to graduate students. They are also only giving E-2. Are these universities crazy? |
It's not the universities' faults. When the new E2 regs came in, the unis thought they would get around the entire mess by just applying for E1s instead. Immigration caught on quickly and changed the qualifications for E1 visas. It is not adequate enough anymore just to have a Masters or Ph.D to get the E1. It has to be in English or Education or TESOL to get the E1. All other degrees are relegated to E2.
(According to the guy in Daejeon immigration who dealt with our office visa dude) |
What if a Ph.D in engineering wants to teach engineering courses? |
I was tealking specifically about E1s for teaching English, but your example works, too. If I understand correctly what he was saying to get an E1, your post-grad degree must be in the field you are actually teaching.
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| I know people with a Master's in English who are still being denied E-1 visas because they teach English classes. |
You know how inconsistent immigration offices can be in their interpretation of their own policies. I'm going solely on what the Daejeon guy said. Maybe his co-worker would say something different. |
MA in TESOL PhD Foreign Language Education (Specialty ESL Composition). And our university placed ads a couple of months ago to replace us. They had to repost again about a week ago because of no applications. |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Why are so many E-1 positions giving only E-2? |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| But, now I see over and over top universities wanting MA or Higher to only teach credit courses to English majors, and even to graduate students. They are also only giving E-2. Are these universities crazy? |
It's not the universities' faults. When the new E2 regs came in, the unis thought they would get around the entire mess by just applying for E1s instead. Immigration caught on quickly and changed the qualifications for E1 visas. It is not adequate enough anymore just to have a Masters or Ph.D to get the E1. It has to be in English or Education or TESOL to get the E1. All other degrees are relegated to E2.
(According to the guy in Daejeon immigration who dealt with our office visa dude) |
First I thought it was the universities' fault, then immigration, now I know that it is the universities that cause the problems. A university can place an ad for a full time instructor or call the same position Visiting Professor. No matter which they choose to call the position is 100% the choice of the university. The requirements for the position, no matter what they call it are the same. The pay is the same, ALL is the same. The only thing that is different is that if the university uses the word instructor then it is E-2, if they call it Visiting Professor then it is E-1. So, yes, in a way immigration decides, but it is based on what the university calls the person, so then it really is the universities that are making what should be E-1positions E-2 positions. Why would universities want to complicate what could be so easy for them? VERY STRANGE. |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Why are so many E-1 positions giving only E-2? |
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| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
| But, now I see over and over top universities wanting MA or Higher to only teach credit courses to English majors, and even to graduate students. They are also only giving E-2. Are these universities crazy? |
It's not the universities' faults. When the new E2 regs came in, the unis thought they would get around the entire mess by just applying for E1s instead. Immigration caught on quickly and changed the qualifications for E1 visas. It is not adequate enough anymore just to have a Masters or Ph.D to get the E1. It has to be in English or Education or TESOL to get the E1. All other degrees are relegated to E2.
(According to the guy in Daejeon immigration who dealt with our office visa dude) |
First I thought it was the universities' fault, then immigration, now I know that it is the universities that cause the problems. A university can place an ad for a full time instructor or call the same position Visiting Professor. No matter which they choose to call the position is 100% the choice of the university. The requirements for the position, no matter what they call it are the same. The pay is the same, ALL is the same. The only thing that is different is that if the university uses the word instructor then it is E-2, if they call it Visiting Professor then it is E-1. So, yes, in a way immigration decides, but it is based on what the university calls the person, so then it really is the universities that are making what should be E-1positions E-2 positions. Why would universities want to complicate what could be so easy for them? VERY STRANGE. |
Yes chicken, I have seen this over and over. A position that says MA required, but calls the position Visiting professor will be E-1. And I have seen PhD positions that all called Full time Instructor, and they are E-2. Some universities are, like hogwons and public schools, reposting over and over because it is hard to get teachers because of the difficulties in getting an E-2. But, these same schools can just as simply call the same position Visiting professor and get E-1. I was once a Visiting professor in a 2 year college where I had PhD, one had MA one had BA. We all had E-1 because the position was called, by the college, Visiting Professor. And, I was at a top university where my position required a PhD in the field. But, I was E-2 becasue the position was called, by the university, Instructor. |
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