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Sapa

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: Did you get any time to settle before starting work? |
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I'm wondering if you usually get a couple of days after arrival before they throw you to the lions? I would hate to arrive on a Sunday and have to start working on the Monday. I bet this happend all the time though.
How do you even prepare for that first lesson? You don't know what the level of english is or anything. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: |
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most of the time, yes. however, you might not be teaching the very first day (and even if you are, it'll be a very easy intro lesson, showing pics of family, your country, pets, etc... then you can always play a game with them or ask them questions about what you just told them... with some candy for rewards)
at my last public school, i arrived sunday night in korea and started work monday morning, but i didn't start teaching til the wednesday or thursday of that week |
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plynx

Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Rey wrote: |
I arrived at 4am on a Monday morning. My taxi picked me up at 4:30am. He got me to my apartment at 6:30am (he got a bit lost). The school called me at 1pm and told me they were coming to get me so I could start teaching. I taught my first class at 2:20pm. I was in Korea 10 hours. I taught seven classes that day, and 5-8 each day for the rest of the week. I slept all weekend.
I think it depends on the school and timing. My school was harassing me to arrive as soon as possible and that was the only ticket they could get for some reason. I didn't mind that much, I knew when I left that they'd pull that on me, so I wasn't going in blind and shocked. They've been pretty okay with everything else, except they made me pay for all my ARC fees and I don't seem to have health insurance yet. Other than that, no problems. |
ummm...big red flag. "other than that, no problems?" why in the world did you let them take you to the school to teach on the day you arrived?! have you taught in korea before? usually, if you're a push-over the first week, then they'll use and abuse you for the remainder of your contract.
OP, i've normally had a few days in class to either watch another teacher or get oriented with the school. i've NEVER heard of a school making an instructor teach the day they arrive (particularly from overseas - REY, tell me you weren't coming from home). if they ask you to, say, "NO." |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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I was picked up by my boss at the airport and driven to my hagwan. He *told* me at the time that his brother was going to come to the hagwan and take me to my new home where I could relax...
After waiting in his office for about an hour my boss came back and told me that, actually, I had to teach a class now. He gave me a textbook and generously walked me to the elevator. I met my new coworkers in the elevator. Upon exiting the elevator I was walked to my new classroom, textbook in hand, shoved in to a room named "Denmark", stongly encouraged to teach and with that the door was closed behind me.
I believe this is the best way to learn in a Korean hagwan. I was thrust right in without any prep, stress, or, most importantly, expectations. There is no way they could ever hold the "But we trained you!" sword of Damocles above my head. I was straight off the plane to the classroom to the galbi-restaurant to my apartment. (My boss didn't show me my apartment, the keys were given to my new co-workers who I (re)met in the galbi shop who later gave the keys to me and took me to the door of my new apartment after some soju and beer and lots of galbi).
Anyway no matter how much training you have, the first few classes are just going to be 'introducing yourself' anyway. So relax. I'd spent a lot of 2003 reading this board and I was prepared for the worst. I got kind of the worst.. but I rolled with it, and it all worked out fine in the end. It's only as good or bad as you make it. I've been liking it here for a few years and you can do the same, or you could do worse.. but mostly the experience you have is on you, not the Koreans. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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nomad-ish wrote: |
most of the time, yes. however, you might not be teaching the very first day (and even if you are, it'll be a very easy intro lesson, showing pics of family, your country, pets, etc... then you can always play a game with them or ask them questions about what you just told them... with some candy for rewards)
at my last public school, i arrived sunday night in korea and started work monday morning, but i didn't start teaching til the wednesday or thursday of that week |
No offense, eh: Speak for yourself.
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Hyeon Een wrote: |
I was picked up by my boss at the airport and driven to my hagwan. He *told* me at the time that his brother was going to come to the hagwan and take me to my new home where I could relax...
After waiting in his office for about an hour my boss came back and told me that, actually, I had to teach a class now. He gave me a textbook and generously walked me to the elevator. I met my new coworkers in the elevator. Upon exiting the elevator I was walked to my new classroom, textbook in hand, shoved in to a room named "Denmark", stongly encouraged to teach and with that the door was closed behind me.
I believe this is the best way to learn in a Korean hagwan. I was thrust right in without any prep, stress, or, most importantly, expectations. There is no way they could ever hold the "But we trained you!" sword of Damocles above my head. I was straight off the plane to the classroom to the galbi-restaurant to my apartment. (My boss didn't show me my apartment, the keys were given to my new co-workers who I (re)met in the galbi shop who later gave the keys to me and took me to the door of my new apartment after some soju and beer and lots of galbi).
Anyway no matter how much training you have, the first few classes are just going to be 'introducing yourself' anyway. So relax. I'd spent a lot of 2003 reading this board and I was prepared for the worst. I got kind of the worst.. but I rolled with it, and it all worked out fine in the end. It's only as good or bad as you make it. I've been liking it here for a few years and you can do the same, or you could do worse.. but mostly the experience you have is on you, not the Koreans. |
Your advice is not valuable to a Newbie because teaching on the same day after arriving in South Korea is stressful at best and quite bad for the instructor's health at worst.
That you, after 3 years in country, are adjusted to its whims and follies does not, in my opinion, make you a Sage of the R.O.K. You could be, I fear, a person who totally lacks a sense of moral direction or someone who's totally bought into the nearly forty year old mantra of Ethical and Cultural Relativism in Middle Class and Proletariat North Western Europe and North and South America.
Thanks, though, for your letter.
Respectfully,
Roch |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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It's pretty common to have experiences like those of Nomad--ish and Hyeon Een. Mine was only modestly better. I arrived Saturday evening and was teaching Monday morning.
It's a good idea to develop a standard first day lesson plan to keep on hand so if anyone ever springs a new group on you at the last second, you have something to go with to deflect the stress. Here's an easy one that takes no prep: Ask the Teacher Game: a) On the whiteboard write Do you/Did you; Will you/Would you...; Have you ever...; Can you... b) Put the students in pairs or small groups c) Tell them to prepare 5 or 6 questions to ask you. No obvious questions (Are you a man). d) Walk around and help with grammar (You get a clue about their level) e) After 10-15 minutes call them together and let each group take turns asking you a question. f) Give long answers in a chatty way. Try to be humorous g) Award more points for a Yes answer than a No answer. h) Go around again but this time give more points for a No answer than a Yes answer.
I like the activity because they've had a grammar review, some writing, some speaking and some listening practice. You've learned a bit about their level and they've learned a bit about you and all with minimal stress.
I think Roch contributed a helpful post. You now know, if you didn't before, that a fair number of the foreigners here are tools and there is no avoiding them.
Good luck in your new job. |
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icicle
Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Location: Gyeonggi do Korea
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Last year coming into a Public Middle School I started teaching on my second day (after spending most of my first day sitting at a desk at school waiting for the apartment to be ready). I had already decided that the first lesson with each class was going to be a "getting to know me" lesson which was a good way to start. But I was definitely on my normal teaching load from the 2nd day.
This year coming into a hagwon ... I actually ended up with a very good orientation period and a gradual start of normal workload and chances to watch before I had to do. I arrived in the evening one day and was then picked up at 2pm the next day to go to school ... I observed for the next couple of days (the rest of that week) and then the following week observed/helped in kindergarten classes in the morning and taught elementary in the mid/late afternoon. And then the following week taught my full load. I know that is not normal ... but it was nice that the situation of the school with previous staff finishing up meant that it happened for me. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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I arrived a 11:30 pm on a Monday and the director said he would pick me up at 8:40 Tuesday morning to take me to Immigration (in a different city) to get my ARC. He picked me up and said we would drop by the school so I could meet everone before heading down to Immigration. We went to the school and at 8:54 he said "Changee plans... butta, you not need go to Immigration... you teach 9:00, you do a good job!  |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Got here around 2:30am. Slept for about ten hours. Woke up, and looked around and generally acted bewildered in my apartment as it was my first day in Korea.
Anyway, I started teaching around 1:00pm that day and finished around 6:30pm (they let me go early). |
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I_Am_The_Kiwi

Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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depends on who your working for, and if its hagwon or PS.
Imat PS, i didnt start til after EPIK orientation, which was about a week. Had the weekend in my apartment and new town, then went to school on Monday, though there was no schedule for me to teach for about 2 1/2 MONTHS. So i was able to plan ALOT and just cruise.
Very nice way to start a new job i must say. |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I_Am_The_Kiwi wrote: |
depends on who your working for, and if its hagwon or PS.
Imat PS, i didnt start til after EPIK orientation, which was about a week. Had the weekend in my apartment and new town, then went to school on Monday, though there was no schedule for me to teach for about 2 1/2 MONTHS. |
whaaaaaat? |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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I thought it was illegal to work before going to the immigration office |
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aarontendo

Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Location: Daegu-ish
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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ChinaBoy wrote: |
I thought it was illegal to work before going to the immigration office |
Nah you got like 30 or 90 days to go get the ARC, forgot which it was. |
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icicle
Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Location: Gyeonggi do Korea
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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It is illegal to work without the correct visa (which you usually get from the immigration office before you arrive in the country) ... BUt you do have 90 days to register with immigration here and get your Alien Registration Card (ARC). |
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