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When should SMOE returning teachers get their severance pay?

 
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Curious George



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: When should SMOE returning teachers get their severance pay? Reply with quote

Hi all,

I am re-signing a contract with SMOE but a question has arisen about the 1 month severance pay we are supposed to get.

My school is telling me that they think this severance all gets paid when you finally leave and not after each completed year. This has not been confirmed by SMOE yet.

So, for example if you make 2.2 million and re-sign for 2.3 million then you get paid out 4.5 million severance when you leave after 2 years, 6.8 million after 3 years, and so on.

Now this is making me a little nervous, letting SMOE hold onto this and not paying it out every year. The english part of the contract is a little vague on this payout as well. It does not clearly state that this severance pay is cumulative. The way it reads is that you get 1 month severance when you finally leave. Naturally, I dont want to loose this money should I stay another year or two.

So, can anyone who has worked for 2 or more years with SMOE confirm that they got the total cumulative severance pay when they finally left?

Thanks
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your school is correct. You get this money not when you request it but at the end of your teaching at SMOE.

This is fully in line with Korean law and how all other Korean companies pay their employees. So don't fret and worry......

Also, this money will be paid out and calculated based upon your final monthly salary level multiplied by years or part years...... nobody cheating you.... There need be no perfect clarity because this not an SMOE thing but rather a government requirement for all employers.

DD
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Zaria32



Joined: 04 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel is correct, however, most schools pay out annually even for returning teachers. The US embassy suggests that unless they have a provable history of making multi-year payments, insist on payment each year.
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pecan



Joined: 01 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting...

In other government programs, like EPIK, they pay your severance after the completion of each contract. The contract stipulates that each year is "noncontinuous" employment (Article 13, section 7).

The S.M.O.E. contract is a bit different in regards to the other programs. The wording in Article 13, section 5, opens the door for more than one interpretation of the severance pay issue by contradicting Article 10, section 1, of the contract.

You are not allowed to have a contract for more than 1 year, so each year is a new contract (you "leave" at the end of each contract, so your severance should be paid then). The term of the contract does not allow for "continuous" employment, as is clearly stated in Article 10, section 1.

I don't understand how they are allowed to interpret the contract in this way.

Continuous employment would require them to abide by higher standards of treatment towards those particular employees, but they have avoided that by making it clear that each contract is noncontinuous!!!

I would really like to get some clarification on this one, because when you renew, it is not an extension. It is a new contract for 1 year.

If they consider it an extension and not a renewal, under the labor laws, etc., they would be required to provide other benefits, like a change from temporary worker status to permanent worker status, annual cost of living increases, etc.

Do you follow? Confused

-Nut
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pecan wrote:
Interesting...

In other government programs, like EPIK, they pay your severance after the completion of each contract. The contract stipulates that each year is "noncontinuous" employment (Article 13, section 7).


-Nut


Not always. I did two years in Epik in Jeollabuk-do, and did not get paid any severance until the end of the second year.

I argued at the end of the first year that each contract was a separate thing, and I'd completed the contract and so should be paid severance, but the answer was a continuous resounding 'NO'. Confused
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pecan



Joined: 01 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xtchr,

No doubt the experiences are going to vary from school district to school district, but do you know if your case was the exception or the norm for Cheollabuk-do?

Thanks.

-Nut
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xtchr wrote:
I argued at the end of the first year that each contract was a separate thing, and I'd completed the contract and so should be paid severance, but the answer was a continuous resounding 'NO'. Confused

Technically, the law agrees with them. Yes, you had multiple contracts, but it was with the SAME company/school. you are only legally entitled to severance once you LEAVE the company for good (ie. SEVER your employment with them). If a school wishes to pay you year to year, they is up to them, but they in no way have to.

Zaria32 wrote:
ddeubel is correct, however, most schools pay out annually even for returning teachers. The US embassy suggests that unless they have a provable history of making multi-year payments, insist on payment each year.

You can insist all you want, they don't have to comply. A better strategy is to have it spelled out explicitly in the contract then either sign it or not. "Negotiating" after the fact will get you nowhere.
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pecan wrote:
xtchr,

No doubt the experiences are going to vary from school district to school district, but do you know if your case was the exception or the norm for Cheollabuk-do?

Thanks.

-Nut


I'm not sure, because most people I knew left after just one year, but I think it was the norm for the Province (concerning Epik), because it all had to go through the one supervisor at the Office of Education.
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
xtchr wrote:
I argued at the end of the first year that each contract was a separate thing, and I'd completed the contract and so should be paid severance, but the answer was a continuous resounding 'NO'. Confused

Technically, the law agrees with them. Yes, you had multiple contracts, but it was with the SAME company/school. you are only legally entitled to severance once you LEAVE the company for good (ie. SEVER your employment with them). If a school wishes to pay you year to year, they is up to them, but they in no way have to.



I know, but they were wrong about many other aspects of my contract, and I had to argue for other stuff due to me, so it kind of just became second nature, and I thought it mightn't hurt to try. Wink
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