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Yaya



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:45 pm    Post subject: Oil shortage a myth, says industry insider Reply with quote

Oil shortage a myth, says industry insider
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Monday, 9 June 2008

There is more than twice as much oil in the ground as major producers say, according to a former industry adviser who claims there is widespread misunderstanding of the way proven reserves are calculated.

Although it is widely assumed that the world has reached a point where oil production has peaked and proven reserves have sunk to roughly half of original amounts, this idea is based on flawed thinking, said Richard Pike, a former oil industry man who is now chief executive of the Royal Society of Chemistry.

Current estimates suggest there are 1,200 billion barrels of proven global reserves, but the industry's internal figures suggest this amounts to less than half of what actually exists.

The misconception has helped boost oil prices to an all-time high, sending jitters through the market and prompting calls for oil-producing nations to increase supply to push down costs.

Flying into Japan for a summit two days after prices reached a record $139 a barrel, energy ministers from the G8 countries yesterday discussed an action plan to ease the crisis.

Explaining why the published estimates of proven global reserves are less than half the true amount, Dr Pike said there was anecdotal evidence that big oil producers were glad to go along with under-reporting of proven reserves to help maintain oil's high price. "Part of the oil industry is perfectly familiar with the way oil reserves are underestimated, but the decision makers in both the companies and the countries are not exposed to the reasons why proven oil reserves are bigger than they are said to be," he said.

Dr. Pike's assessment does not include unexplored oilfields, those yet to be discovered or those deemed too uneconomic to exploit.

The environmental implications of his analysis, based on more than 30 years inside the industry, will alarm environmentalists who have exploited the concept of peak oil to press the urgency of the need to find greener alternatives.

"The bad news is that by underestimating proven oil reserves we have been lulled into a false sense of security in terms of environmental issues, because it suggests we will have to find alternatives to fossil fuels in a few decades," said Dr Pike. "We should not be surprised if oil dominates well into the twenty-second century. It highlights a major error in energy and environmental planning � we are dramatically underestimating the challenge facing us," he said.

Proven oil reserves are likely to be far larger than reported because of the way the capacity of oilfields is estimated and how those estimates are added to form the proven reserves of a company or a country. Companies add the estimated capacity of oil fields in a simple arithmetic manner to get proven oil reserves. This gives a deliberately conservative total deemed suitable for shareholders who do not want proven reserves hyped, Dr Pike said.

However, mathematically it is more accurate to add the proven oil capacity of individual fields in a probabilistic manner based on the bell-shaped statistical curve used to estimate the proven, probable and possible reserves of each field. This way, the final capacity is typically more than twice that of simple, arithmetic addition, Dr Pike said. "The same also goes for natural gas because these fields are being estimated in much the same way. The world is understating the environmental challenge and appears unprepared for the difficult compromises that will have to be made."

Jeremy Leggett, author of Half Gone, a book on peak oil, is not convinced that Dr Pike is right. "The flow rates from the existing projects are the key. Capacity coming on stream falls fast beyond 2011," Dr Leggett said. "On top of that, if the big old fields begin collapsing, the descent in supply will hit the world very hard."
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great article. Here's the link:

Oil Shortage a Myth
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be; the maths makes sense from a math majors perspective. The problem with oil is that our data sucks. We don't really know how much is out there, especially in fields that are nationalized (i.e. most of the significant ones.)

Aside from this the issue isn't so much total reserves but rates of production. If production doesn't increase enough to compensate for demand rises and the continual depletion of fields in place then prices will go up and keep going up until something gives.

There have been many predictions that oil will peak, and most of them have been proven quite wrong. But it will peak someday, and since transferring to alternatives is a time consuming and uncertain process it's better to start now. And at $140 a barrel it's profitable to start now as well. Balance of trade alone will justify the cost.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a large chunk of the price is due to speculation. Hedge funds ran out of bubbles to invest in so they're putting their money into commodities and fuel driving the prices up.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigfeet wrote:
I think a large chunk of the price is due to speculation. Hedge funds ran out of bubbles to invest in so they're putting their money into commodities and fuel driving the prices up.


That's exactly it. You know your business, politics, and economics. Financial analysts are able to predict prices ahead of time due to having information on how high speculators are bidding the prices with futures and options contracts to buy/sell at an agreed price on a certain date.

What billionaire speculators are doing is greed at it's finest highest level. They don't care that all that the money they make may not be worth it's weight in paper when they crash the markets and devalue currencies such as the US dollar when prices become too high for the average consumer. It is true that America is paying only half of what South Korea, Germany and many others are paying for gas, but it's a different economy where pay is very low for most people and benefits are disappearing. It's around $4 per gallon in the US and around $7.5 in South Korea, $7.65 in Germany, and $10 in England.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with America is that they've become dependent on low prices. Commutes of 40-50miles are common and people drive to school to pick up the kids, to the supermarket, to the library and everywhere.
The whole infrastructure is built around cheap personal transport.

Other countries have less of a problem as they've kept prices high for longer so the economy is built around it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigfeet wrote:
I think a large chunk of the price is due to speculation. Hedge funds ran out of bubbles to invest in so they're putting their money into commodities and fuel driving the prices up.


That's certainly a part of it. But high and rising demand, tension between Israel and Iran, disruptions in Nigeria, peaking oil supplies in many/most Western countries, increasing dependence on more expensive sources such as oil sands, and the eventual depletion of all oil along with the difficulty of alternatives; these thingd are all very real.

So even with speculation pumping up the volume, there is a very real floor on prices somewhere well above $50 a barrel.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneWayTraffic wrote:
Bigfeet wrote:
I think a large chunk of the price is due to speculation. Hedge funds ran out of bubbles to invest in so they're putting their money into commodities and fuel driving the prices up.


That's certainly a part of it. But high and rising demand, tension between Israel and Iran, disruptions in Nigeria, peaking oil supplies in many/most Western countries, increasing dependence on more expensive sources such as oil sands, and the eventual depletion of all oil along with the difficulty of alternatives; these thingd are all very real.

So even with speculation pumping up the volume, there is a very real floor on prices somewhere well above $50 a barrel.


The floor is somewhere between $60-$100/barrel according to experts in this article (or was it the other in the Current Events thread?). Anyway, you're right that the speculation coincides with declining oil 'production' in old fields and lack of refining capacity.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigfeet wrote:
I think a large chunk of the price is due to speculation. Hedge funds ran out of bubbles to invest in so they're putting their money into commodities and fuel driving the prices up.


Yeah, I think you're right. I think negative real interest rates in America and the falling dollar have caused people to turn to commodities as a sort of defacto reserve currency. If the Fed would worry more about the dollar and less about the banks, then I think oil and food prices would ease off substantially. Anxiety about a war with Iran probably accounts for $10-$40 of the current oil price. With all of the demented rhetoric coming from the Iranians and Israelis this weekend, there will probably be even more speculators piling on and driving up oil and food prices first thing Monday. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

" Oil shortage a myth, says industry insider "

Duh.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneWayTraffic has it right - the oil price is principally affected by the rate of production. Back in May, President Bush visited Saudi Arabia to ask (some would say beg) them to increase output. They refused, saying that they would leave the oil in the ground for "future generations". If there's twice as much oil in the ground as is generally supposed, surely a small production increase wouldn't have hurt.

As we know, OPEC production quotas are based on proven reserves (Saudi Arabia's proven reserves have remained static since the late 1980s despite lots of pumping and little discovery) - countries have a strong incentive to inflate these figures so they can sell more oil. If there is much more oil in the ground that we think, output should be rising to either bring the price down or take advantage of rising demand. In the first quarter of 2008, output in the USA, Russia, Mexico and the North Sea fell while others remained steady.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OneWayTraffic has it right - the oil price is principally affected by the rate of production.


Wrong in this case. The Fed throwing the "dollar out the window" [Jimmy Rogers] is behind the price increase. Even Qatar just came out refusing to increase production saying supply isn't the problem.

Qatar Won't Raise Crude Oil Output as Prices Soar

June 29 (Bloomberg) -- Qatar doesn't plan to follow Saudi Arabia's lead in increasing crude oil production because supplies are adequate, its oil minister said today.

``I never heard any panic about a shortage of supply, just about the high price,'' Abdullah bin Hamad al-Attiyah told Bloomberg in an interview in Madrid. ``We see in the market there are lots of cargoes.''

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a2AybqthMxyc&refer=home

Incidently, this little news item was dropped from the Bloomberg web site almost immediately after it was posted. They don't want us to know it's not supply.

If it was a supply shortage, there'd be lines at the pumps.

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There have been many predictions that oil will peak, and most of them have been proven quite wrong. But it will peak someday


Yeah, in about 250 years.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think we really know how much oil is immediately available for extraction. The Kuwait government has been more than a tad dishonest:
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LONDON, Jan 20 (Reuters) - OPEC producer Kuwait's oil reserves are only half those officially stated, according to internal Kuwaiti records seen by industry newsletter Petroleum Intelligence Weekly (PIW).

"PIW learns from sources that Kuwait's actual oil reserves, which are officially stated at around 99 billion barrels, or close to 10 percent of the global total, are a good deal lower, according to internal Kuwaiti records," the weekly PIW reported on Friday.


And the Saudi's are about as trustworthy as a drunkard and their "estimates" of existing reserves (which never seem to decrease, despite outflow) are not widely accepted amongst analysts. They refuse independent evaluations of their reserves as well.

Quote:
But energy analysts have long questioned the reserves claimed by other OPEC producers. Veteran British geologist Colin Campbell, chairman of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas and a trustee of the Oil Depletion Analysis Center in London, believes that Gulf producers' known reserves are really considerably lower than they claim - 210 billion barrels for Saudi Arabia, not the official tally of 261 billion; 90 billion for Iraq rather than 112 billion; Kuwait, 55 billion instead of 94 billion; the United Arab Emirates, 60 billion instead of 98 billion.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb

There is certainly a hell of a lot left, and the rapid rise of prices - at the exact same time the global pool of money ditched SIV's as their primary investment tool- points to speculation as the cause of the recent and dramatic increase.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
There is certainly a hell of a lot left, and the rapid rise of prices - at the exact same time the global pool of money ditched SIV's as their primary investment tool- points to speculation as the cause of the recent and dramatic increase.

Good. If it causes people to ditch their Hummers and SUVs more quickly, perhaps there is still a chance for the human race to save itself from extinction.

Now if only we could get rid of the nukes...
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