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Beef Protests: Are Koreans Their Own Worst Enemies?
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Orchidelirium



Joined: 09 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Beef Protests: Are Koreans Their Own Worst Enemies? Reply with quote

I mean in terms of exposing their own dirty little secrets and making themselves look ignorent, xenophobic, and isolated?

I've had so many friends from home email me about how bizarre and dangerous the beef protests looked, that I had to spend hours, last week, trying to answer all the emails.

Observation:

Koreans are the most self-deluded people I've met, with a lack of awareness of how their behavior affects others; unfortunately, people globally are inclined to either defend are not believe accounts of xenophobia here, because of just general ignorance and lack of prominence -- I mean really , who would think that any industrialized nation could show the kind of shocking ignorance Koreans regularly display? I refused to believe accounts I read and heard from people in Korea, and that's the only reason I'm here (I wish I would have listened).

Question:

Is it possible that because of their self-delusion and lack of self-checking their own behavior is leaking into the international sphere and inflicting permanent damage on Korea's image (including the situation with the death of the teenaged American)? Will there be more ugly outbursts to come? Will Lee Myung-Bak have to have increasingly isolationist/nationalistic policies just to avoid them?

I work for what is probably the largest and most "reputable" hogwon chain here, and the number of new recruits is plummeting dramatically -- at my branch, we have had 3 recruits pull out for every position they've been offered. Training sessions for new recruits have plummeted by about 30-40% -- my boss has offered anyone completing a contract a practically blank check to re-sign, including paying for round-trip tickets, pay-raises, extended vacations, etc (no one is re-signing).

And both McCain and Obama have said that their will be an economic penalty for the bad faith Koreans are showing in trade relations.

I'm biracial, and have had a HORRIFIC experience of constant racism, here in Korea, so I'm glad that the global community is being made aware of what's happening. Is it possible that they're getting their comeuppance, due to their own ignorance?
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Beef Protests: Are Koreans Their Own Worst Enemies? Reply with quote

Orchidelirium wrote:
I mean in terms of exposing their own dirty little secrets and making themselves look ignorent, xenophobic, and isolated?

I've had so many friends from home email me about how bizarre and dangerous the beef protests looked, that I had to spend hours, last week, trying to answer all the emails.

Observation:

Koreans are the most self-deluded people I've met, with a lack of awareness of how their behavior affects others; unfortunately, people globally are inclined to either defend are not believe accounts of xenophobia here, because of just general ignorance and lack of prominence -- I mean really , who would think that any industrialized nation could show the kind of shocking ignorance Koreans regularly display? I refused to believe accounts I read and heard from people in Korea, and that's the only reason I'm here (I wish I would have listened).

Question:

Is it possible that because of their self-delusion and lack of self-checking their own behavior is leaking into the international sphere and inflicting permanent damage on Korea's image (including the situation with the death of the teenaged American)? Will there be more ugly outbursts to come? Will Lee Myung-Bak have to have increasingly isolationist/nationalistic policies just to avoid them?

I work for what is probably the largest and most "reputable" hogwon chain here, and the number of new recruits is plummeting dramatically -- at my branch, we have had 3 recruits pull out for every position they've been offered. Training sessions for new recruits have plummeted by about 30-40% -- my boss has offered anyone completing a contract a practically blank check to re-sign, including paying for round-trip tickets, pay-raises, extended vacations, etc (no one is re-signing).

And both McCain and Obama have said that their will be an economic penalty for the bad faith Koreans are showing in trade relations.

I'm biracial, and have had a HORRIFIC experience of constant racism, here in Korea, so I'm glad that the global community is being made aware of what's happening. Is it possible that they're getting their comeuppance, due to their own ignorance?


I don't think I've ever seen a country shoot itself so thoroughly in the foot as Korea.
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cangel



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's completely out of hand. These protesters are retarded. Every single argument they have against US beef's safety has absoluteky no merit in the scientific community. Let's just wait and see if these violent protesters are actually held accountable for their actions.
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Gollywog



Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Debussy's brain

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well put post, Orchidelirium.

I guess these protest posts are getting a bit redundant, but I think most of us need to vent. We also need to try to understand what's going on and what it means, and sharing what we know and see helps.


Orchidelirium wrote:


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I'm biracial, and have had a HORRIFIC experience of constant racism, here in Korea, so I'm glad that the global community is being made aware of what's happening. Is it possible that they're getting their comeuppance, due to their own ignorance?


I feel bad to hear what you are going through. I wouldn't have thought it would be that bad. I get the feeling these protests are lowering the inhibitions of Koreans, allowing their true feelings to override their good manners. I presume you don't get treated like this back home?

I get the impression that even many well-educated, intelligent Koreans who have probably never met a black person are bigoted. I base this on their reactions to things like blacks in movies or in books. They seem to cringe, or to laugh whenever a black person is involved. I can't comprehend why.

But I can believe what you say. The strange thing about this whole experience in Korea is the prejudice against white folks. I get the impression I am getting a small taste of what it must have been like during the days of Southern racism. Since the protests, I feel like I am getting more and more nasty stares from Koreans of all ages, including little children. It is particularly galling to be treated in an insulting manner by students, who sometimes seem to think I am a display at a zoo for their amusement.

The difference is not everyone here is racist toward whites, of course. And I can simply leave. More than feeling sorry for myself, I feel sorry for Koreans. Their behavior is incredibly self-destructive.

Which reminds me of why I am writing this post. It is so self-destructive that I have to wonder if it is really Koreans who are directing this. The negative consequences are so predictable. You can't help suspect it is a foreign country that wants to destroy Korea, and turn it against its ally the U.S. A country that once tried to invade Korea, perhaps? On the other hand, the Koreans have a tendency to blame everyone else for their problems, and I think they are quite capable of mucking things up all by themselves.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cangel wrote:
It's completely out of hand. These protesters are retarded. Every single argument they have against US beef's safety has absoluteky no merit in the scientific community. Let's just wait and see if these violent protesters are actually held accountable for their actions.


What I love is that, even after he gave them what they want (inspections of the US meatpacking industry and no 30 month old beef) they're STILL protesting and attacking police. If there was anyone who still thought the protests had to do with "public safety," they now look incredibly stupid.
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Imrahil



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree, this country loves to shot itself in the foot. This country has already managed to tear itself into two (Korean War). Now the side which has prospered since the 70's is looking like it wants to become isolated. I know many South koreans wants to be more global, but my god, South Korea has a strong isolations group of people here.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Are Koreans Their Own Worst Enemies?


Yes.

And while being self defeating is not that uncommon, Koreans as a group take it to virtuoso levels.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cangel wrote:
It's completely out of hand. These protesters are retarded. Every single argument they have against US beef's safety has absoluteky no merit in the scientific community. Let's just wait and see if these violent protesters are actually held accountable for their actions.


Agreed.
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supernick



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea's days are numbered. In a very short time they have shown to the world what many of us have come to know. Some of us may have had some doubts, but for me, most of what I had thought has now be confirmed.

I get the emails from back home asking me if it's all true, and I am ashamed to tell them that indeed it's true and worse than what they might be reading in the news.
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Sody



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Korea messed up? Yes. Are they their own worst enemies? Yes.

However, don't think for a second that anyone gives a damn about Korea outside this country.

It's only a big deal for us, the foreigners who actually live in Korea. Plus, maybe a few disgruntled and bitter posters on the Korean forums who live elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Young FRANKenstein



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cangel wrote:
Let's just wait and see if these violent protesters are actually held accountable for their actions.

Don't hold your breath. The police are pussies.
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Ramen



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
cangel wrote:
Let's just wait and see if these violent protesters are actually held accountable for their actions.

Don't hold your breath. The police are pussies.


I agree. Korean cops are poooossy cops.

I just can't imagine people pushing and hitting police back home. Razz
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Savant



Joined: 25 May 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
cangel wrote:
Let's just wait and see if these violent protesters are actually held accountable for their actions.

Don't hold your breath. The police are pussies.


Some of these "police" are not police at all but young men (early 20s or younger) undertaking their military service with the "riot police" instead of regular army. They are equipped out with minimal body armour and police anti-riot shields. They are not hard-core riot police and not ideal for confronting violent protestors.


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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very large number are kids serving as police in lieu of military service.

I'm very glad the police are not being heavy-handed with protestors. They can't get away with much seeing as every protestor has a camera of some kind, and there's no call for it.

The violence there is at these protests is pretty tame stuff. They've pulled over some buses, but how many people have been injured? Most of it is just posturing.

"Korea's days are numbered"? Did someone mention delusion?
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