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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: Oil shortage a myth, says industry insider |
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Oil shortage a myth, says industry insider
By Steve Connor, Science Editor
Monday, 9 June 2008
There is more than twice as much oil in the ground as major producers say, according to a former industry adviser who claims there is widespread misunderstanding of the way proven reserves are calculated.
Although it is widely assumed that the world has reached a point where oil production has peaked and proven reserves have sunk to roughly half of original amounts, this idea is based on flawed thinking, said Richard Pike, a former oil industry man who is now chief executive of the Royal Society of Chemistry.
Current estimates suggest there are 1,200 billion barrels of proven global reserves, but the industry's internal figures suggest this amounts to less than half of what actually exists.
The misconception has helped boost oil prices to an all-time high, sending jitters through the market and prompting calls for oil-producing nations to increase supply to push down costs.
Flying into Japan for a summit two days after prices reached a record $139 a barrel, energy ministers from the G8 countries yesterday discussed an action plan to ease the crisis.
Explaining why the published estimates of proven global reserves are less than half the true amount, Dr Pike said there was anecdotal evidence that big oil producers were glad to go along with under-reporting of proven reserves to help maintain oil's high price. "Part of the oil industry is perfectly familiar with the way oil reserves are underestimated, but the decision makers in both the companies and the countries are not exposed to the reasons why proven oil reserves are bigger than they are said to be," he said.
Dr. Pike's assessment does not include unexplored oilfields, those yet to be discovered or those deemed too uneconomic to exploit.
The environmental implications of his analysis, based on more than 30 years inside the industry, will alarm environmentalists who have exploited the concept of peak oil to press the urgency of the need to find greener alternatives.
"The bad news is that by underestimating proven oil reserves we have been lulled into a false sense of security in terms of environmental issues, because it suggests we will have to find alternatives to fossil fuels in a few decades," said Dr Pike. "We should not be surprised if oil dominates well into the twenty-second century. It highlights a major error in energy and environmental planning � we are dramatically underestimating the challenge facing us," he said.
Proven oil reserves are likely to be far larger than reported because of the way the capacity of oilfields is estimated and how those estimates are added to form the proven reserves of a company or a country. Companies add the estimated capacity of oil fields in a simple arithmetic manner to get proven oil reserves. This gives a deliberately conservative total deemed suitable for shareholders who do not want proven reserves hyped, Dr Pike said.
However, mathematically it is more accurate to add the proven oil capacity of individual fields in a probabilistic manner based on the bell-shaped statistical curve used to estimate the proven, probable and possible reserves of each field. This way, the final capacity is typically more than twice that of simple, arithmetic addition, Dr Pike said. "The same also goes for natural gas because these fields are being estimated in much the same way. The world is understating the environmental challenge and appears unprepared for the difficult compromises that will have to be made."
Jeremy Leggett, author of Half Gone, a book on peak oil, is not convinced that Dr Pike is right. "The flow rates from the existing projects are the key. Capacity coming on stream falls fast beyond 2011," Dr Leggett said. "On top of that, if the big old fields begin collapsing, the descent in supply will hit the world very hard." |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Great article. Here's the link:
Oil Shortage a Myth |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Could be; the maths makes sense from a math majors perspective. The problem with oil is that our data sucks. We don't really know how much is out there, especially in fields that are nationalized (i.e. most of the significant ones.)
Aside from this the issue isn't so much total reserves but rates of production. If production doesn't increase enough to compensate for demand rises and the continual depletion of fields in place then prices will go up and keep going up until something gives.
There have been many predictions that oil will peak, and most of them have been proven quite wrong. But it will peak someday, and since transferring to alternatives is a time consuming and uncertain process it's better to start now. And at $140 a barrel it's profitable to start now as well. Balance of trade alone will justify the cost. |
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Bigfeet

Joined: 29 May 2008 Location: Grrrrr.....
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| I think a large chunk of the price is due to speculation. Hedge funds ran out of bubbles to invest in so they're putting their money into commodities and fuel driving the prices up. |
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Bigfeet wrote: |
| I think a large chunk of the price is due to speculation. Hedge funds ran out of bubbles to invest in so they're putting their money into commodities and fuel driving the prices up. |
That's exactly it. You know your business, politics, and economics. Financial analysts are able to predict prices ahead of time due to having information on how high speculators are bidding the prices with futures and options contracts to buy/sell at an agreed price on a certain date.
What billionaire speculators are doing is greed at it's finest highest level. They don't care that all that the money they make may not be worth it's weight in paper when they crash the markets and devalue currencies such as the US dollar when prices become too high for the average consumer. It is true that America is paying only half of what South Korea, Germany and many others are paying for gas, but it's a different economy where pay is very low for most people and benefits are disappearing. It's around $4 per gallon in the US and around $7.5 in South Korea, $7.65 in Germany, and $10 in England. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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The problem with America is that they've become dependent on low prices. Commutes of 40-50miles are common and people drive to school to pick up the kids, to the supermarket, to the library and everywhere.
The whole infrastructure is built around cheap personal transport.
Other countries have less of a problem as they've kept prices high for longer so the economy is built around it. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Bigfeet wrote: |
| I think a large chunk of the price is due to speculation. Hedge funds ran out of bubbles to invest in so they're putting their money into commodities and fuel driving the prices up. |
That's certainly a part of it. But high and rising demand, tension between Israel and Iran, disruptions in Nigeria, peaking oil supplies in many/most Western countries, increasing dependence on more expensive sources such as oil sands, and the eventual depletion of all oil along with the difficulty of alternatives; these thingd are all very real.
So even with speculation pumping up the volume, there is a very real floor on prices somewhere well above $50 a barrel. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| OneWayTraffic wrote: |
| Bigfeet wrote: |
| I think a large chunk of the price is due to speculation. Hedge funds ran out of bubbles to invest in so they're putting their money into commodities and fuel driving the prices up. |
That's certainly a part of it. But high and rising demand, tension between Israel and Iran, disruptions in Nigeria, peaking oil supplies in many/most Western countries, increasing dependence on more expensive sources such as oil sands, and the eventual depletion of all oil along with the difficulty of alternatives; these thingd are all very real.
So even with speculation pumping up the volume, there is a very real floor on prices somewhere well above $50 a barrel. |
The floor is somewhere between $60-$100/barrel according to experts in this article (or was it the other in the Current Events thread?). Anyway, you're right that the speculation coincides with declining oil 'production' in old fields and lack of refining capacity. |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| Bigfeet wrote: |
| I think a large chunk of the price is due to speculation. Hedge funds ran out of bubbles to invest in so they're putting their money into commodities and fuel driving the prices up. |
Yeah, I think you're right. I think negative real interest rates in America and the falling dollar have caused people to turn to commodities as a sort of defacto reserve currency. If the Fed would worry more about the dollar and less about the banks, then I think oil and food prices would ease off substantially. Anxiety about a war with Iran probably accounts for $10-$40 of the current oil price. With all of the demented rhetoric coming from the Iranians and Israelis this weekend, there will probably be even more speculators piling on and driving up oil and food prices first thing Monday.  |
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