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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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 Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: Ever feel like a black man in the '90s? |
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Someone here once said being in Korea was like being a black guy in the 50's. Quite absurd. Cockbloking: yes. Discrimination from private establishments: Yes. Anything even close to as bad as black guys had it: No.
Well, how about the 90's? Remember how a good number of black guys would carry on with the, "they won't hire me cuz I'm black", "he's looking at me cuz I'm black", "It's raining on my birthday cuz I'm black"... ahh good times. Anyway, it seems to me like way too many foreigners are starting to pull the same, desperate, whiney, "It's cuz I'm a foreigner" crap.
The ajumma pushed me: "she must hate foreigners!"
The bank won't give me a credit card: "they must hate foreigners!"
The dude stared at me: "He must hate foreigners!"
The white guys dies: "It's because he was a foreigner!"
My food is cold: "The cook must hate foreigners!"
My boss screwed me: "He's racist!"
Korean dude punches white dude: "Korea is the most racist country in the world!"
What a joke.
It's getting pitiful. Grow up and realize that being white in Korea is an advantage 90% of the time. |
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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| What if you are black and live in Korea? |
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Burndog
Joined: 17 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Where do you get off??? Posting that sh*t about me...just because I'm white! |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: Re: Ever feel like a black man in the '90s? |
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| Newbie wrote: |
Someone here once said being in Korea was like being a black guy in the 50's. Quite absurd. Cockbloking: yes. Discrimination from private establishments: Yes. Anything even close to as bad as black guys had it: No.
Well, how about the 90's? Remember how a good number of black guys would carry on with the, "they won't hire me cuz I'm black", "he's looking at me cuz I'm black", "It's raining on my birthday cuz I'm black"... ahh good times. Anyway, it seems to me like way too many foreigners are starting to pull the same, desperate, whiney, "It's cuz I'm a foreigner" crap.
The ajumma pushed me: "she must hate foreigners!"
The bank won't give me a credit card: "they must hate foreigners!"
The dude stared at me: "He must hate foreigners!"
The white guys dies: "It's because he was a foreigner!"
My food is cold: "The cook must hate foreigners!"
My boss screwed me: "He's racist!"
Korean dude punches white dude: "Korea is the most racist country in the world!"
What a joke.
It's getting pitiful. Grow up and realize that being white in Korea is an advantage 90% of the time. |
I understand your point but there are legitimate beefs as well. I have been refused service in a few places because I was a foreigner and in the rural areas, cock blocking is just a fact of life.
Being a foreigner in Korea is an advantage depending on how you play your cards. You will innevitably have to put up with racism in one form or another but it is us who signed the contract and came here to work. I don't have most of the problems that people complain about but also I am married and have a life other than pub crawling to the wee hours of the morning. I was single before and living in Korea so I can relate somewhat to the things people moan about. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: Ever feel like a black man in the '90s? |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
| Newbie wrote: |
Someone here once said being in Korea was like being a black guy in the 50's. Quite absurd. Cockbloking: yes. Discrimination from private establishments: Yes. Anything even close to as bad as black guys had it: No.
Well, how about the 90's? Remember how a good number of black guys would carry on with the, "they won't hire me cuz I'm black", "he's looking at me cuz I'm black", "It's raining on my birthday cuz I'm black"... ahh good times. Anyway, it seems to me like way too many foreigners are starting to pull the same, desperate, whiney, "It's cuz I'm a foreigner" crap.
The ajumma pushed me: "she must hate foreigners!"
The bank won't give me a credit card: "they must hate foreigners!"
The dude stared at me: "He must hate foreigners!"
The white guys dies: "It's because he was a foreigner!"
My food is cold: "The cook must hate foreigners!"
My boss screwed me: "He's racist!"
Korean dude punches white dude: "Korea is the most racist country in the world!"
What a joke.
It's getting pitiful. Grow up and realize that being white in Korea is an advantage 90% of the time. |
I understand your point but there are legitimate beefs as well. I have been refused service in a few places because I was a foreigner and in the rural areas, cock blocking is just a fact of life.
Being a foreigner in Korea is an advantage depending on how you play your cards. You will innevitably have to put up with racism in one form or another but it is us who signed the contract and came here to work. I don't have most of the problems that people complain about but also I am married and have a life other than pub crawling to the wee hours of the morning. I was single before and living in Korea so I can relate somewhat to the things people moan about. |
I agree. There are definitely legitimate complaints. But here on Dave's, it seems like everything is coming down to "It's cuz he/she hates foreigners." It's too much. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: Ever feel like a black man in the '90s? |
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It's getting pitiful. Grow up and realize that being white in Korea is an advantage 90% of the time. |
So your reasoning is that being black in the 1990s was 90% advantageous? 
I bet my man won you aren't black enough to be making such bold statments! |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: Ever feel like a black man in the '90s? |
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| bejarano-korea wrote: |
| Newbie wrote: |
It's getting pitiful. Grow up and realize that being white in Korea is an advantage 90% of the time. |
So your reasoning is that being black in the 1990s was 90% advantageous?
I bet my man won you aren't black enough to be making such bold statments! |
I'm not black either but he is correct in that there are certain advantages to being black in America. To be sure there are disadvantages also. If you are a black person you don't have to score as high on the entrance exams to get into Harvard. If companies practice affirmative action then you will be hired above other applicants often regardless of qualifications and you are pretty much gauranteed regular pay raises and advancement and also protection from getting fired over miniscule things.
That might not make up for the negatives but SMART black people work the system and end up with pretty good gigs. I don't begrudge them for that because I'd would and have done the same thing in not so dissimilar circumstances. |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Ever feel like a black man in the '90s? |
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| bejarano-korea wrote: |
| Newbie wrote: |
It's getting pitiful. Grow up and realize that being white in Korea is an advantage 90% of the time. |
So your reasoning is that being black in the 1990s was 90% advantageous?
I bet my man won you aren't black enough to be making such bold statments! |
I'm so black.... jo'mamma! 
(you of course were kidding when you assumed I meant being black in the 90's was 90% advantageous... right?) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| You missed my current favorite: "I don't speak Korean but I know what they are thinking (and it isn't good)." |
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Bigfeet
Joined: 29 May 2008
Location: Grrrrr.....
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Welcome to being a minority. A privileged minority for most of you. Maybe you'll go home with a new perspective and a slightly better understanding of what being a minority means. |
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legalquestions
Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| How am I privileged when I work more hours for less pay than my Korean counterparts (even after factoring in the housing)? when they get bonuses and I don't? when they don't have to suffer the humiliation of annual employment contracts and I do? when they qualify for employee pension contributions and I don't? etc., etc. |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| the preference given to white peopl over black people in this country proves how 'racist' korean society is. I may 'hate' all foreigners, but if I prefer a white one to a black one I'm a racist as well as a xenophobe. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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You must be new here, newbie. It takes a while for the realisation to sink in- that beneath that gushing surface pleasantry lies a united national mindset that mostly despises anyone who isn't Korean.
That subtly and even unconsciously strives to make a foreigner feel uncomfortable on Korean soil...in 100 different ways..daily. |
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spirit2110
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
Location: I am with Dan Druff. Nice guy, you should meet him.
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| Bigfeet wrote: |
| Welcome to being a minority. A privileged minority for most of you. Maybe you'll go home with a new perspective and a slightly better understanding of what being a minority means. |
I agree. |
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byunhosa
Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Location: Center Ice
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:26 am Post subject: Re: Ever feel like a black man in the '90s? |
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| Newbie wrote: |
Someone here once said being in Korea was like being a black guy in the 50's. Quite absurd. Cockbloking: yes. Discrimination from private establishments: Yes. Anything even close to as bad as black guys had it: No.
Well, how about the 90's? Remember how a good number of black guys would carry on with the, "they won't hire me cuz I'm black", "he's looking at me cuz I'm black", "It's raining on my birthday cuz I'm black"... ahh good times. Anyway, it seems to me like way too many foreigners are starting to pull the same, desperate, whiney, "It's cuz I'm a foreigner" crap.
The ajumma pushed me: "she must hate foreigners!"
The bank won't give me a credit card: "they must hate foreigners!"
The dude stared at me: "He must hate foreigners!"
The white guys dies: "It's because he was a foreigner!"
My food is cold: "The cook must hate foreigners!"
My boss screwed me: "He's racist!"
Korean dude punches white dude: "Korea is the most racist country in the world!"
What a joke.
It's getting pitiful. Grow up and realize that being white in Korea is an advantage 90% of the time. |
I'm not sure about the analogy re blacks in the West (who actually do face pernicious racism in many cases), but if you are saying that white foreigners in Korea are ludicrous in crying racism, then I am with you 100%.
I honestly cannot tell whether the tales of racism read on this board are innocent misunderstandings driven by a poster's heightened consciousness of being in the minority here, or are simply trolling, but in any case I simply do not believe that the virulent racism and venom that is described here daily actually exists. On the contrary, as the OP says, whites are (90% of the time) treated far, far better in Korea than we deserve to be treated.
The vast preponderance of foreigners show little to no interest in Korea, rarely bother to learn the language or customs, earn heaps of money (relative to the amount or complexity of work required), are welcomed enthusiastically by many curious and hospitable Koreans (inclludng members of the opposite sex), and are permitted to stay here indefinitely without any pressure to assimilate. Show me a country in the West where the above are all true.
If, once in a blue moon, someone gets into a 2 AM bar scuffle or hears an unkind word on a public bus (again, consider the time and surroundings), it seems to me (in most cases) to be a very small price to pay for the aforementioned benefits.
And moreover, even if some Koreans really and truly despise foreigners, who the f- cares? Would you trade places with them? Hell no. Would they trade places with you? Hell yes.
Case closed. Relax and enjoy yourselves. If you want to tell yourselves tales of woe, go ahead. But don't believe your own BS. |
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