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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river
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| Zenas wrote: |
The entire world is now paying the high cost of US bases all over the world. Been paying for them all along, but the price is getting so high now, we feel it more. The US is monetizing it's debt by printing dollars and flooding the world with an ever increasing worthless dollar resulting in price inflation.
Every time food goes up, every time oil goes up, every time air line ticket prices goes up, remember you are helping the US pay for it's military bases, including South Korea.
Do you want to help pay for these bases? Whether you want to or not, you are.
Funny how ignorant so many people are. Even the ones who think they're so smart.
Now, still think the US should stay in Korea? And Japan? And Germany? And Iraq? And Colombia? And Cuba? And Diego Garcia? And Qatar? And Kuwait? And Afghanistan? And .......... |
Zenas, I've seen your anti-American ravings before, and haven't commented upon them. Although, how is it that U.S. bases are causing food prices to increase?
That is to say, food prices are increasing because of increased oil costs. You see, oil is used by tractors that plow the fields, and trucks that transport the foods.
Also, some crops have been diverted to create biofuels, which some believe raises food costs (though I'm not sure about this).
If you're worried about U.S. debt, the greatest cause of that debt wouldn't be troops deployed in Korea, or even the Iraq war. The greatest cause of the debt was Bush's tax cuts for the rich.
But blaming a weak dollar and U.S. debt for world food prices shows you're just a derganged anti-American with an agenda. |
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Zenas
Joined: 17 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Zenas, I've seen your anti-American ravings before, and haven't commented upon them. Although, how is it that U.S. bases are causing food prices to increase? |
You mistake anti US Empire building with anti-Americanism? How did such an intelligent fellow like yourself make that mistake?
I didn't say US bases are causing food prices to increase. You do have trouble understanding what you read don't you?
This is what I said is causing food prices to increase:
The US is monetizing it's debt by printing dollars and flooding the world with an ever increasing worthless dollar resulting in price inflation.
As far as taxes, you could confiscate the entire wealth of every wealthy American and come no where near paying off the US national debt. So, how did lower the tax rate for the rich cause the Fed to print money?
You are a communist. One of the planks of communism is a progressive income tax. There is no provision for an income tax in the Constitution. That came in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act to pay for the debt of the fiat currency the Fed was now going to loan to the US taxpayer via it's government. The Fed is illegal and is the cause of the world's inflation we are currently experiencing. Started in 1913 but the full affect is now being felt. How's it feel?
The US is also paying for the needs of its 132 military bases around the world by printing money. That is contributing to the falling dollar. The US has no savings. The US is a third world debtor nation.
What is coming to the US and the world in a lessor degree is hyperinflation.
And the Federal Reserve is to blame. It is the Federal Reserve which is anti-American and un-Constitutional. Ron Paul was the only non-communist running for president. He wanted to abolish the Fed and the income tax and bring all the troops home. Most Americans today are communist Empire building warmongers.
Get it straight.
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Zenas, I've seen your anti-American ravings before, and haven't commented upon them. Although, how is it that U.S. bases are causing food prices to increase? |
You mistake anti US Empire building with anti-Americanism? How did such an intelligent fellow like yourself make that mistake?
I didn't say US bases are causing food prices to increase. You do have trouble understanding what you read don't you?
This is what I said is causing food prices to increase:
The US is monetizing it's debt by printing dollars and flooding the world with an ever increasing worthless dollar resulting in price inflation.
As far as taxes, you could confiscate the entire wealth of every wealthy American and come no where near paying off the US national debt. So, how did lower the tax rate for the rich cause the Fed to print money?
The US is also paying for the needs of its 132 military bases around the world by printing money. That is contributing to the falling dollar. The US has no savings. The US is a third world debtor nation.
What is coming to the US and the world in a lessor degree is hyperinflation.
And the Federal Reserve is to blame. It is the Federal Reserve which is anti-American.
Get it straight. |
Hey Spliff! What was your expression - moonbat? |
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Suwon23
Joined: 24 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Rather than calling her a moonbat (which really isn't very productive or mature), why not just ask her to provide sources for her claim that the US is paying off its deficeit by printing money? That would shut her up pretty quick. I know this is Dave's and all, but we do still need facts from time to time, Z. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Suwon23 wrote: |
| Rather than calling her a moonbat (which really isn't very productive or mature), why not just ask her to provide sources for her claim that the US is paying off its deficeit by printing money? That would shut her up pretty quick. I know this is Dave's and all, but we do still need facts from time to time, Z. |
S, you are absolutely right. Thank you for the correction.
Z, I apologize for calling you a moonbat (and I'm still not sure what one is). Truly. |
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DaffyD73
Joined: 28 Nov 2007
Location: Planet Earth on the left
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Ok Question answered.
I was just thinking personally not economically politically etc...
Some posters got my feelings and others ......well....
I think the best point was why doesn't Korea ask the US to leave.
Thank you all for thoughts lets please close this and if you wish to discuss a finer point about Germany etc.... perhaps lonely planet germany forum or the international forums would get more input.
daffy |
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elzoog
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
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The reason the US will not leave Korea, or other countries is because ever since the later part of the 19th century, America has acted in an imperialistic way to other countries.
The reason they do this is money. When the US fought World War 1, it was primarily because England and France owed the US money and told the US that if they lost they wouldn't be able to pay the money back.
You can verify this for yourself by reading
http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
The thing is, the US is already whining and moaning about Iraq. Do you think these same people would be suddenly happy if the US had to fight North Korea too? Do you think that North Korea is smart enough to realize that the US would be whining and moaning if they had to fight North Korea too?
This is the reason that you will find for example, that Donald Rumsfeld would do something like sell a nuclear reactor to North Korea. The real guys in power don't actually care about how bad Kim Jung Il is, as long as they can make their money. |
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MissSeoul
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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us will never leave korea, unless they have to. it's too close to russia, n. korea and china. |
US always say they are in korea for korea/korean, but we all know they are in korea for their own interest. I am fine with that, I just don't like them to say " we are here for you, blah blah blah " |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| cazzy3 wrote: |
us will never leave korea, unless they have to. it's too close to russia, n. korea and china. |
US always say they are in korea for korea/korean, but we all know they are in korea for their own interest. I am fine with that, I just don't like them to say " we are here for you, blah blah blah " |
But what would you do if they left?
To rephrase, who will you date? If all those handsome American pilots and seme--seamen go home, then you'll be reduced to dating us loser English teachers. 
j/k |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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From the wiki link at the top of the page of this site.
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| Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 � June 21, 1940) |
Now it's your job to tell us why a guy died 20 years before the Korean War has any opinion that pertains to this thread.
Here's a clue: The US does not make a profit by stationing troops in Korea. We do not benefit economically by protecting a country that has a trade surplus with the US from selling products made by workers who are paid less than Americans who work in factories with lower worker safety standards and which have much fewer environmental regulations - things that make Korean cars and electronics cost less to produce than American products and which are harder to sell here because of market restrictions that favor domestic products over imports.
WE are in Korea, and we stay here, for other reasons than to line our pockets - if THAT were the reason, we'd have been gone long ago.
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| This is the reason that you will find for example, that Donald Rumsfeld would do something like sell a nuclear reactor to North Korea. |
I should have noticed this before. Obviously, I'm talking to a moron.
I'm sorry, that was unkind. Let me rephrase: Obviously I'm talking to someone who behaves as if he or she were suffering from mental retardation, and we all have compassion for such unfortunate people, and hope nothing but the best for ...
Aw, forget I even took the time to respond to you, okay?
Miss Seoul:
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| US always say they are in korea for korea/korean, but we all know they are in korea for their own interest. I am fine with that, I just don't like them to say " we are here for you, blah blah blah " |
If an American fella ever says to you, sweetcakes, you should definitely refrain from sleeping with him. That's because he's probably lying about other things also. |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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If Korea really wanted the US gone all they would have to do is issue a public request for them to leave. The n Korea would have to make up for all of that military presence and manpower on its own. This is a country that already has manditory military service and isn't keen on the high taxes. I think the US being here is mutually beneficial, but probably benefits Korea more. USA already has Japan as a post in Asia and with the end of the Cold War, Korea isn't the front line of the war against communism that it once was. Korea on the other hand has been given the chance to grow its economy with the help of the states and develop into one of the more technologically advanced countries in Asia.
The ones who will really lose once the US is gone are Korean politicians. Every problem in Korea is blamed on the US, and the people believe it to be true. Bush 2 made his career on blaming everything on terrorists, but he actually had to worry about them a bit. Korea doesn't have to fear the US in the same way. The leaders will be held accountable and have to answer for their actions once the US pulls out. They don't want to see that happen. That's why the US will be here for a long while yet. The Koreans don't really want them to leave. At least the Koreans that have a say in the matter. |
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Kiarell
Joined: 29 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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it does too line the US pockets, but indirectly so. It's about enforcing a certain US will, and hegemony in the Far East, economically and militarily and has been geopolitical strategy since the Cold War (since either third world socialism or Sovietization would threaten Western money-holders).
it's also about maintaining an atmosphere of perpetual war, and if you need to know why that is profitable read Orwell's 1984. This is about control, and it's rather complex in its execution. Is there a full-on police state, no, but having the US stationed there and ready to support the government does influence the course of events. The current RoK and US govts want a perpetual stalemate with the North. Having an external problem makes it easier to whip people into loyalty to an illegitimate govt. You can see it now, as counter-demonstrators want us to light candles for the North Koreans, as if lighting candles in Seoul-shiceong would do a damned thing to influence that. |
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Kiarell
Joined: 29 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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If Korea really wanted the US gone all they would have to do is issue a public request for them to leave. The n Korea would have to make up for all of that military presence and manpower on its own. This is a country that already has manditory military service and isn't keen on the high taxes. I think the US being here is mutually beneficial, but probably benefits Korea more. USA already has Japan as a post in Asia and with the end of the Cold War, Korea isn't the front line of the war against communism that it once was. Korea on the other hand has been given the chance to grow its economy with the help of the states and develop into one of the more technologically advanced countries in Asia.
The ones who will really lose once the US is gone are Korean politicians. Every problem in Korea is blamed on the US, and the people believe it to be true. Bush 2 made his career on blaming everything on terrorists, but he actually had to worry about them a bit. Korea doesn't have to fear the US in the same way. The leaders will be held accountable and have to answer for their actions once the US pulls out. They don't want to see that happen. That's why the US will be here for a long while yet. The Koreans don't really want them to leave. At least the Koreans that have a say in the matter. |
good point. It takes a lot of responsibility off of the RoK govt. The US influence is real, but it often acts as a distraction. I'm glad to see people oppose 2MB on their own terms and be a little less deluded by bourgeois nationalism (= support our businesses, support our politicians and be against their businessmen and their politicians as if there was some intrinsic notable difference, there isn't) |
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A2Steve
Joined: 10 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Why doesn't the USA just leave South Korea? |
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So the USA has a military presence here which has carried over since the UN forces came in back in the 50's to protect from the communist north. I understand that one could say that the war is not finished as it is just a cease fire, but given the negative feelings towards Americans by Koreans, being brought to a head by the Mad cow thing. why does the USA just say f it, you complain and complain we'll just leave see you later.
The USa has a military presence in Japan and also other areas of the Pacific why the need to stay somewhere where your not welcomed with open arms, and appreciated. the saying "One does not know what one has till it is lost".
I do not say this as a reaction to the mad cow thingy - this is a democracy and the people have a right to express thier opinions whether you think them right or wrong is your opinion ( and since we are in another country - it's not our right to force our opinion on them, the opposite is also true). But korea needs a kick up the backside as a misbehaving child would who starts to take for granted what is provided for it and still asks for more.
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because it helps America keep its role as the only true superpower, at least until China gets its act togerher in about 10-20 years, or joe stalin gets resurrected and reignites the cold war?
eh.... at the rate of GWB's hamboned initiatives following 9-11, we may lose that role anyway in a decade or so. heaven help us if the EU decides it can take over...... |
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A2Steve
Joined: 10 Nov 2007
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| I fully support the USA pulling out of Korea, and putting those funds and soldiers to use somewhere else, like Africa. |
How about defending it's own country from invasion and put those soldiers on the border with Mexico and shot to kill any one trying to cross the border? Soon, the word would get out that crossing the border illegally is not a good idea and will stop. Then those troops can go back home to their families, where they belong.
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uhhh.... because there is no need to fear an invasion from Mexico??
or maybe you think those sneaky anucks are up to no good. we already stole their natural resources though: comedians, maple syrup, and since the growth of the NHL in the south, their hockey players. Sweden is next on the list. |
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