Korean Job Discussion Forums

[BS.Dos.]

Just as there are limits to economic growth, conversely, there are limits to corporate growth. Unfortunately for them, most CEOs only consider this oversight once the red line on the wall hits the carpet. The trouble with Starbucks was it was always about the kudos. Sure, their supporters will tell you that they sold great coffee, but that wasn't quite as great as being seen drinking in one. For a while, it became less about the intrinsic value of the product and more about the instrumental value of the social statement.

Unfortunately for these unscrupulous corporate behemoths, consumers are far more sophisticated than their marketeers ever give us credit for. Every product and every brand has a life-cycle. Starbucks have simply become victims of their own success. The culture they created was easily replicated.

[uberscheisse]

hm anyone dissing starbucks needs to give me an example of a company who does better.

truly starbucks is as shitty as shitty gets, adhering to the lowest common denominator of the corporate model - but when it comes to a commodity like coffee - who is more ethical? nabob? folgers? no.

if there is anyone better i'd like to know, and i'd give them my money.

[Young FRANKenstein]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/fronkensteen/starbucks.jpg

[Kwangjuchicken]

[Young FRANKenstein]

[mindmetoo]

About a "real" job. If we constrain that to mean "people who manufacture things" then is having a not real job a bad thing? Surely the guy who makes cars needs to get to work. He doesn't want to get there on dirty roads. Someone has to clean those roads for him to get to work. And he's not much interested in driving out to farm country to buy his food. Someone has to work in a grocery store to sell him food. And he comes home and he doesn't want to make shadow puppets on the wall to entertain himself. He wants to watch a DVD. Somone has to write tv shows. Someone has to act. Yes, it's nice if someone is making TVs in our nation but what is much nicer is if that hunk of plastic and glass has something coming out of it. He doesn't want to go to work naked. He needs clothes. Someone has to design the clothes. Someone has to sell the clothes. He likes to talk on the phone. Someone needs to install the phone. He likes to visit restaurants on the weekend. Someone needs to serve him food.

Are these not real jobs? Would any factory long stay in a place where its workers cannot get these services?

Now lets say that guy with a real job gets a big raise. Like 10x more a year. He's going to eat out more. He's going to see more movies. He's going to go to more concerts. He's going to buy more porn. He's going to stop cleaning his own clothes or mowing his own lawn. He's going to spend more time boating. He's going to put in a pool. He's going to get people to clean his pool. He's going to get the ultimate cable package. He's going to get a DVR.

That our economy is so massively tilted to service jobs and so few "real jobs" indicates those real jobs today are creating large amounts of wealth, so much wealth that we can afford so many wonderful and varied services.

[mindmetoo]

[uberscheisse]

[newton kabiddles]

"they resent the coffee shop giant and favor small independent cafes. "

well then, now it's cool to go to starbucks

[Young FRANKenstein]

[uberscheisse]

[cdninkorea]

[mises]

[mindmetoo]

[mindmetoo]