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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: North Korea blames South Korea for shooting of tourist |
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I think it's pretty awful that they won't even let investigators in to see how she died:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/07/12/nkorea.blame/index.html
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SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea has blamed South Korea for the shooting death of a tourist near a mountain resort in the communist nation, according to reports.
A statement from the North's tourism bureau Saturday expressed regret for the death of the 53-year-old South Korean woman. But it said responsibility for the incident "entirely rests with the south side" and said Seoul should apologize, The Associated Press reported.
North Korea also said it would not accept a request that South Korean officials visit the resort for an investigation.
The tourist, Park Wang-ja, was killed before dawn Friday after she entered a fenced-off restricted area along a beach near the resort. North Korea told the South Korean tour organizer that a soldier opened fire because Park ignored a warning to halt and instead ran away. Video Watch a report on the shooting �
Kim Ho-nyun, a South Korean Unification Ministry spokesman, earlier said that it "deeply regrets that such an incident has happened." Kim said.
The body was taken to a hospital in the South. The tours to the North have been suspended for the time being.
The resort is part of a tightly controlled and well-marked area along the east coast of the Korean peninsula and one of only two areas South Korean tourists are allowed to travel to in the North.
The incident occurred on the day South Korean President Lee Myung-bak proposed reopening stalled reconciliation talks with North Korea. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Considering the amount of money involved and the attitudes of the deciding parties, I'd be surprised if this led to the resort getting shut down. But I do expect this will make a difference in the number of people travelling there.
I'd consider the possibility that the woman was at fault for getting shot except that they won't even let investigators in, which indicates that they have something to hide.
I realize how infrequently things like this happen, but the fact that they do at all reminds me of why I refuse to travel to countries like North Korea; any country that doesn't recognize human rights doesn't deserve tourist dollars. |
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Passions

Joined: 31 May 2006
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: |
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and in return, South Korea blames America.
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The Hammer
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| The latest reports indicate that she sneaked into the basement of the euthanasia facility at the resort, where she saw the corpses of South Korean tourists being loaded onto waste disposal trucks. She secretly hitched a ride on one of the trucks, which drove to a heavily guarded North Korean waste disposal plant. Once inside the plant, she saw how the corpses are processed into Soylent Green wafers. Nobody but the guards really knows what happened after that. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| cdninkorea wrote: |
| I realize how infrequently things like this happen, but the fact that they do at all reminds me of why I refuse to travel to countries like North Korea; any country that doesn't recognize human rights doesn't deserve tourist dollars. |
I agree. You gotta love the simpletons who wanna go to that hellhole just so they can get a 'wicked cool' stamp in their passport.
I've said it before: Anybody with a functioning moral compass would stay out of that ridiculous excuse for a country (unless you happen to be a government official or an aid worker). |
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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I am not trying to be symathetic to the North by any means, but honestly...how many times have you observed an ajuma having a complete disregard for any existing statutory or social constructs? Even considering that it's North Korea we're talking about, I have a hard time believing that some soldier just blew away a civilian on a whim. There's all this talk about a "poor, defensless woman" but has anyone ever thought what might have happened to the soldier had he let that woman just shuffle out of a secured military zone unscathed? As far as the North having "something to hide", would you think the South would agree to a "joint investigation" that would potentially allow the North access to a secure military facility were the circumstances reversed?
I tend to believe what we have here is a sad case of an ajuma behaving exactly as she is accustomed to in the South. Old people have no regard for police or laws here because no matter what the circumstances the police will always let them walk because they are "elders". [/url] |
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Yesterday

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
| here is a sad case of an ajuma behaving exactly as she is accustomed to in the South. Old people have no regard for police or laws here |
true - she was told to stop and knew she should not be in the "restricted area"..
The North Korean soldier didn't even try to kill the ajuma - just wanted to stop her from running away - he shot her in the butt (bottom/backside)
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According to Kim, a North Korean authority told Hyundai Asan at 11:30 a.m. yesterday that a North Korean soldier warned Park to stop when she was caught walking in the military area early in the morning. When Park tried to run away, the soldier shot her.
She was staying at the Kumgang Family Beach Hotel near the beach where she was killed. It is not known yet why Park was walking around the military area at such an early hour.
Park�s body, with two gunshot wounds to her backside, is currently being held at Sokcho Medical Center, Gangwon Province, which is near the inter-Korea border, Kim said. |
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2892230
one of my middle school students was there for three days this week... (Tuesday~Thursday)
He didn't want to be there - but his middle school sent all the middle-school-year-one students there for a 3-day camp as part of their "compulsory curriculum"...
lucky they all came back alive... |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Here's MY apology-
Sorry your boss is an evil psycho who keeps his people brainwashed and starving.
Love, wylies99  |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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This could have been done by an 18 year old playing with his rifle (horseplay).
It could have been a pushy ajumma who thought that "no rules apply to me."
But the bigger question is WHY are thousands of FREE South Koreans spending money to visit "Kim Jong-Il Disney Land' in the middle of a slave state?
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
| But the bigger question is WHY are thousands of FREE South Koreans spending money to visit "Kim Jong-Il Disney Land' in the middle of a slave state? |
Because Keumgangsan is beautiful. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| wylies99 wrote: |
| But the bigger question is WHY are thousands of FREE South Koreans spending money to visit "Kim Jong-Il Disney Land' in the middle of a slave state? |
Because Keumgangsan is beautiful. |
I doubt it's the most beautiful place in the world. Tourists should be spending their money elsewhere.
And the nork soldiers shot her twice in the "backside" and she died? From gunshot wounds to her ass? Damn, I thought that didn't happen (but I'm certainly no battlefield medic).
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sojourner1

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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If South Koreans are so fearing of the North, why would they even cross that line of actually going up there? Of course, it's got beautiful natural scenery, but it's not safe nor fun. I wouldn't go, because they don't deserve any tourist dollars until they can clean their act up with the corrupt totalitarian regime who just starves it's people, brain washes them, and then slaves them to produce illegal drugs to finance their government. I don't feel safe going around that sort of thing. We've all know for decades this is one of the most evil governments on Earth, but have done little about it other than keeping them in check. I said it many times over and over through the years, we should invade North Korea instead of Iraq as North Korea made many threats and are truly an evil regime. Sure the average North Korean individual may be innocent, but their leadership and country system is evil as they come.
It probably would had been a smart move for America in terms of security and international relations to have went to Korea rather than Iraq, but there isn't much financial or natural resource interests in Korea so we invaded where the oil is located. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| cdninkorea wrote: |
| I realize how infrequently things like this happen, but the fact that they do at all reminds me of why I refuse to travel to countries like North Korea; any country that doesn't recognize human rights doesn't deserve tourist dollars. |
I agree. You gotta love the simpletons who wanna go to that hellhole just so they can get a 'wicked cool' stamp in their passport.
I've said it before: Anybody with a functioning moral compass would stay out of that ridiculous excuse for a country (unless you happen to be a government official or an aid worker). |
I absolutely agree. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Yesterday wrote: |
| xingyiman wrote: |
| here is a sad case of an ajuma behaving exactly as she is accustomed to in the South. Old people have no regard for police or laws here |
true - she was told to stop and knew she should not be in the "restricted area"..
The North Korean soldier didn't even try to kill the ajuma - just wanted to stop her from running away - he shot her in the butt (bottom/backside)
| Joongang Daily wrote: |
According to Kim, a North Korean authority told Hyundai Asan at 11:30 a.m. yesterday that a North Korean soldier warned Park to stop when she was caught walking in the military area early in the morning. When Park tried to run away, the soldier shot her.
She was staying at the Kumgang Family Beach Hotel near the beach where she was killed. It is not known yet why Park was walking around the military area at such an early hour.
Park�s body, with two gunshot wounds to her backside, is currently being held at Sokcho Medical Center, Gangwon Province, which is near the inter-Korea border, Kim said. |
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2892230
one of my middle school students was there for three days this week... (Tuesday~Thursday)
He didn't want to be there - but his middle school sent all the middle-school-year-one students there for a 3-day camp as part of their "compulsory curriculum"...
lucky they all came back alive... |
Been a member of this forum for 5 + years... and yet you still believe the official press releases from the DPRK?
The truth is... we can guess all we like. But as soon as we start taking statements from the DPRK's mouthpiece as reality, I think we're in for a world of hurt. |
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Yesterday

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Yesterday wrote: |
| xingyiman wrote: |
| here is a sad case of an ajuma behaving exactly as she is accustomed to in the South. Old people have no regard for police or laws here |
true - she was told to stop and knew she should not be in the "restricted area"..
The North Korean soldier didn't even try to kill the ajuma - just wanted to stop her from running away - he shot her in the butt (bottom/backside)
| Joongang Daily wrote: |
According to Kim, a North Korean authority told Hyundai Asan at 11:30 a.m. yesterday that a North Korean soldier warned Park to stop when she was caught walking in the military area early in the morning. When Park tried to run away, the soldier shot her.
She was staying at the Kumgang Family Beach Hotel near the beach where she was killed. It is not known yet why Park was walking around the military area at such an early hour.
Park�s body, with two gunshot wounds to her backside, is currently being held at Sokcho Medical Center, Gangwon Province, which is near the inter-Korea border, Kim said. |
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2892230
one of my middle school students was there for three days this week... (Tuesday~Thursday)
He didn't want to be there - but his middle school sent all the middle-school-year-one students there for a 3-day camp as part of their "compulsory curriculum"...
lucky they all came back alive... |
Been a member of this forum for 5 + years... and yet you still believe the official press releases from the DPRK?
The truth is... we can guess all we like. But as soon as we start taking statements from the DPRK's mouthpiece as reality, I think we're in for a world of hurt. |
in korea for 7~8 years (without leaving except for a few day trips to Japan)
we are talking about a 53 y.o. ajuma walking around at 5am - I BELIEVE it...
the fact that the south have her body - with two gunshot wounds to her butt - shows the north korean soldier had a good sense of humor - or a bad aim...
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