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joshuahirtle27
Joined: 23 Mar 2008
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| Whistleblower wrote: |
| Remember teaching students anywhere else a part from the school's designated location is illegal in the Ministry of Education books. |
If you are calling FROM the school to students you are already teaching then it's probably pretty close to Okay... but you're welcome to have the Ministry of Education crack down on all of the 10,000,000,000,000 hagwons in Korea. |
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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| Didn't know there were "10,000,000,000,000 hagwons in Korea." |
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joshuahirtle27
Joined: 23 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| I may have exaggerated slightly... but you see my point. |
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Bearach
Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| I started doing this a few weeks back and it's going fine. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Good advice Josuhu. It is my personality I like to complain.
But Bearach you do this AND
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come on some nuggets of advice would help! |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| If you do decide to do this make sure the students call you. If they don't it still counts towards your hours. You don't want to chase students around all evening. No more than 3 students a day. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Teaching over the phone??? |
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| [email protected] wrote: |
So my boss came up with this hairbrained gimmick because our hagwon wasnt 'unique enough'. Basically, i have to ring ALL of my students in the evenings and talk to them for two to three minutes. He says he has a book for me to use for this exceptional plan but he doesnt have it yet. Yet he wants me to lesson plan for it anyway, today, just before I go on vacation. Not only is it a dumb idea, I'll probably have to spend an extra hour in work each day because of it.
Any idea's on how to approach this farce? |
I did this at my first hogwan and you will HATE it. It's a momumental waste of time for you. You will get many hangups from confused ajummas and kids that are shy about speaking English-ee. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: It's Called Phone Teaching and it's NOT unique. |
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| joshuahirtle27 wrote: |
| [email protected] wrote: |
| So my boss came up with this harebrained gimmick because our hagwon wasn't 'unique enough'. Basically, i have to ring ALL of my students in the evenings and talk to them for two to three minutes. |
That's as unique as a McDonald's Cheese burger. My hagwon (which starts with W and rhymes with onderland) in Guro does this with all of the Kindy kids once a month. Basically what we do is take some of the material we've been teaching in the past month and ask each of them 5 questions. The kids love it (provided they love their teachers).
It's not too bad. The only thing I find annoying about it is my past job was at a call centre so you can imagine how much I look forward to phone teaching being over... I hate being on the phone. |
Stay at your hogwan. If you ENJOY this, then you belong in the world of hogwans.
BTW, where did you earn your bachelors degree? |
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joshuahirtle27
Joined: 23 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Why?
And the only thing I enjoy about Phone Teaching is interacting with the kids and seeing how much the can do without the teachers help. I hate being on the phone and I really don't like that I don't get paid the overtime it takes to DO the phone teaching because it's not CLASSROOM time or PREP TIME. |
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SHANE02
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| joshuahirtle27 wrote: |
Why?
And the only thing I enjoy about Phone Teaching is interacting with the kids and seeing how much the can do without the teachers help. I hate being on the phone and I really don't like that I don't get paid the overtime it takes to DO the phone teaching because it's not CLASSROOM time or PREP TIME. |
Oh, phone teaching, how unique! Yes maybe 8 years ago.
Well if it's over your normal hours then it's overtime. Hakwon contracts are for a set amount of hours. Just refuse.
Phone teaching is not unique and is usually a complete waste of time. I did it for a month or two many years ago at my first job (hakwon).
Usually the ajuma will hang up on you because she can't understand the random English speaker on the phone. the telephone has to be one of the toughest communication mediums in a new language anyway, because there is no physical expression involved. Good luck getting little Min sok to say anything on a phone in English if he is a low level student. It's difficult even for adults, and confident EFL students.
All the teachers at my school refused. I tried as I said for 2 months. usually I called, got no answer, hung up, and checked the student off my list. That or the mom/student hung up on me. It was a joke.
It's such a pain how these hakwon owners have no idea about language teaching, but so many stupid ideas about "uniqueness" . Actually he's only thinking about money as usual. |
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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| Play the Yobeseyo Game. I am sure there was a post about the game and the rules. Basically, you have to get the receiver to say yobeseyo as many times as possible. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Listen here, it is by no means a waste of time. The parents love to hear their kids speaking English within the confines of their homes. Mostly upon hearing the waygukin's voice the ajumma urgently calls the kid to the phone and stands by listening to responses. It's a great way to impress and swell the coffers of the hand that feeds you. In time you will know those who want to be called and those who are indifferent.
Obviously it must be part of deemed hours and from the premises of the hakwon.
Obviously. |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: |
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I did this crap last year where I had to stay later for no extra pay at a hoggywon.
Luckily they finally paid my pension money, but 6 months late and I got my refund a few days ago; some 7 months and 2 weeks after finishing that job.
Paying our dues.... |
Wow! Cool fish in your avatar. Did you catch it?
ilovebdt |
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valkerie
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| Whistleblower wrote: |
| He cannot force you or fire you for not doing it. |
He can if the contract reads "Other duties as assigned" and the "duties" are in the scope of teaching. I would think asking a teacher to clean the school is not in the agreement but teaching kids IS! |
Don't know why Joshua omitted part of the sentence...Whistleblower clearly stated that OVERTIME is voluntary, therefore you can't (technically) be forced into it or fired for refusing.
Of course if the telephone work is still within the usual hours then it should be done. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
Listen here, it is by no means a waste of time. The parents love to hear their kids speaking English within the confines of their homes. Mostly upon hearing the waygukin's voice the ajumma urgently calls the kid to the phone and stands by listening to responses. It's a great way to impress and swell the coffers of the hand that feeds you. In time you will know those who want to be called and those who are indifferent.
Obviously it must be part of deemed hours and from the premises of the hakwon.
Obviously. |
You know ajummas who are excited about receiving phone calls from waygooks?  Most of the time they hang up on the white devils.
It's a waste of time- from a teaching standpoint. For business? Oh, parents LOVE gimmicks like this because they are clueless about what it takes to really learn English-ee. |
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