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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:18 am Post subject: Dead Bodies on the beach and they did not care in Italy |
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Pictured: Chilling indifference of Italians sunbathing just yards from the covered bodies of two drowned Roma children
The bodies of two drowned Roma children lie covered by towels on an Italian beach while holidaymakers carry on unfazed enjoying the sun.
Cristina Ibramovitc, 12, and Viola Ibramovitc, 11, were left on the sand for an hour among 'indifferent' holidaymakers after being caught in rough seas.
The two, who are related but not sisters, were among four children who had gone onto the beach to beg.
Their death highlighted Italy's dramatic problem with Roma gypsy youngsters.
Last month Italian interior minister Roberto Maroni announced controversial plans for fingerprints to be taken from all Roma children, a move widely condemned.
Minister Maroni said the plan would cut down on parents who sent their children onto the streets to beg instead of sending them to school.
The tragedy happened on a stretch of beach at Torregaveta, north of Naples, after witnesses said the children, who had been begging and selling trinkets, rushed into the sea.
One eye witness quoted on Italian TV said: 'The water was rough and no-one was in the sea but these four Roma children just rushed into the huge waves.
'The beach was packed and people soon realised the four were in trouble because the children started screaming and shouting for help.
'Some people went in and got two of them but the other two couldn't be saved and they were pulled from the water dead.
'There bodies were left on the beach for an hour before being collected, just covered by a beach towel while people just got back to sunbathing and playing football.
'It was very surreal there was this picture of a typical Italian beach with families enjoying the sun and then just metres away were the bodies of these two children. People were completely indifferent about what had happened.'
A Naples coastguard spokesman said: 'From what we have established these children had come from a camp at Giuliano near Naples on a train and had at first begged by the station.
'Then they moved onto the beach and were selling trinkets and begging and as with all children they were drawn to the water but sadly two of them drowned.
'When we got there there was nothing we could do and so we simply called the mortuary and arranged for them to come and pick up the bodies of the two children.
'While they were on the beach someone used their towel to cover the bodies until the mortuary van arrived.' |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1036760/Pictured-Chilling-indifference-Italians-sunbathing-just-yards-covered-bodies-drowned-Roma-children.html
Dead people on the beach? Forget them- I need to work on my tan! 
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If they had been Italian children, I wonder what the picture would have looked like? Lots of grief stricken people milling around, crying perhaps? |
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TheChickenLover
Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: The Chicken Coop
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:38 am Post subject: |
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What are the beachgoers supposed to do? Sit around in a panic & cry relentlessly? 
The reality is very much that we don't about people don't know & even less for people we don't like.
Their reaction was not surprising to me at all. It was however politically incorrect, but very natural.
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: |
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What are the beachgoers supposed to do? Sit around in a panic & cry relentlessly?
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Aye, I don't know what they are suppose to do. Go home until the bodies are gone? Poke the bodies with a stick? Break out shovels and bury the dead right there?
I blame the Italian emergency response system for waiting an hour to dispose of the bodies.
In the US, that area would've been sealed off, and the bodies taken to a morgue ASAP. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| TheChickenLover wrote: |
What are the beachgoers supposed to do? Sit around in a panic & cry relentlessly?
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Aye, I don't know what they are suppose to do. Go home until the bodies are gone? Poke the bodies with a stick? Break out shovels and bury the dead right there?
I blame the Italian emergency response system for waiting an hour to dispose of the bodies.
In the US, that area would've been sealed off, and the bodies taken to a morgue ASAP. |
What you do is:
1) Rescue them when they scream for help.
2) Send others to call 911.
3) Perform CPR and mouth to mouth until help arrives, especially when they are first brought in. People often recover if action is taken within the first few minutes after drowning, especially children.
4) The local paramedics should, hopefully, arrive quicker than one hour if you're actually trying to save someone. (Not sure about this in Italy though.)
5) Continue to perform resuscitation for at least 20 minutes. Keep going, if there is any color in their skin or any sign of life, people can be revived.
Damn. Sitting on their asses. Scum. |
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Tjames426
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: Seriously.... |
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think about the families.
Mom and Dad finally have a day off with the kids. Probably had to plan it ahead. Do any of you have an iota of an idea how hard this is???? It is vacation. There might not be many opportunities each year to actually enjoy the beach and do something fun with the family without work, crap, and other issues getting in the way.
Finally, you arrange a perfect trip to the beach with the Kids on a Sunny day. Once there, you get assaulted by children who beg and pester you for money. GRRRRR.
Now, these stupid children, who are trying to ruin this perfect sunny day alone with your family, go into the ocean and die. You ought to be happy the beach goers were gracious enough to go in and try save them. At least some of the Dads could look like heroes in front of their kids, I guess. |
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PeteJB
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| How is drowning/choking different? I've heard many stories that even after long periods of time people were revived. I thought if the heart stopped, then brain death would occur within five minutes... |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: |
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If I'm at the beach with my kids and there's a dead body there, I'm moving to a different spot.
It's kinda hard to be cheery and merry when there's 2 dead children within eyesight. Obviously it wasn't a problem for the Italians there, so it makes you wonder where their vaunted hearts are. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| I would suspect that the indifference is related to the children's ethnicity. The Roma are still feared and hated in most countries in Europe. Even with the tone of outrage in the article the author still calls the kids 'gypsy.' To a Roma that word has the same impact that the "n" word has to African Americans. |
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it's full of stars
Joined: 26 Dec 2007
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