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ds_fan
Joined: 07 Apr 2008
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:22 am Post subject: most korean men camp? |
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I dont know many korean men, I work in a kindergarten with all korean women- 'reaches for rope and places around neck' iv met a few korean blokes and been out drinking with a few, real pansy walks and they say the most poofy things, at first i was sure that every guy i met was gay.
Are there many manly verile non- camp mean about? Do korean women like camp men?
Some guy that follows me round the gym speaks decent enough english, think hes after a freebie, sometimes im cool with it, other times i keep away. Hes ripped- a real good 6 pack etc.
He follows me round and always says the campest things, ill be sad and miss you when your gone.
Im going to seoul next weekend, will you be thinking of me when im gone.
Do you like my body etc, touches his bare 6 pack while he talks to me.
Anyhow last night he said do you like me, i said yes, he then said can i ask you a questions, i said yes, then he said you cant tell anyone though, then another korean guy came over and he shut up.
Whats the verdict is he gay? Hitting on me? Or is he just another pansey camp hetrosexual korean.
Excuse the political incorrectness btw |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: |
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This thread is lolz
Now the gyopos that I know here are for the most part cool and easy to get along with. I guess growing up in the same culture and all makes things easier.
But the locals are a totally different story. And before the Korean Apologist attack me for that, I've had gyopo friends totally agree with me.
Local Korean men, in my experience, are extremely uncomfortable to associate with. They're a bizzare mixture of way too much ego, insufferable insecurity, touchy, childish, "macho", and comming on too strong.
I mean seriously, I've had friendly chats with a Korean guy on a subway or bus, and soon it escalates to a desire to exchange number, drink and travel together, ect....
It's just too much and I doubt they're all gay.
Again, gyopo guys = cool
Native guys = gay! or uncomfortably straight |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: Re: most korean men camp? |
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ds_fan wrote: |
I dont know many korean men |
Wait till you meet the guys that need a meter of leg spread when they sit down, suck their teeth after eating (or anytime just for fun), and never acknowledge you because you are lower on their mental hierarchy. |
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OnTheOtherSide

Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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One of my older Korean male students today called another student a "gay homosezzual". Then he said "Lionardo Dicapprio is very handsome". |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Does the OP teach English? |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: |
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I see Korean campers on mountains, but it is set up for people. I haven't heard about bushwack camping or anything else, except that it's legal to camp on beaches. And beaches have lots of stores around them. When people hike here, they bring EVERYTHING they need for comfort. I don't even want thing about the resources brought for camping. |
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Kiarell
Joined: 29 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Yesterday a teen comes up to me at the bus stop.
"Hellllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"
I respond "oh, hello."
He's wearing a long t-shirt that goes down to his knees. It's white with a magenta ring at the collar and PINK polka dots.
At first I thought, to myself, 'pretty flaming'. Then I looked again and thought, that can't possibly be what's up, c'mon don't be racist, there's no way Korean boys are this campy. It'd be insulting to assume he's wearing that out of choice. He's dressed masculine otherwise. He's proably come forward from his group because he wants laugh off this ridiculous get-up his friends have made him wear. Maybe he lost a bet?
"You're shirt...did you lose a bet?"
"Oh! My shirt. Yes, thank you!"
"Uhhh....it's joke, right? You wear that shirt as joke? Girl shirt, right?"
Then the kid (maybe grade 1 high school) looked really embarrassed and hid his head down.
I didn't mean to make fun of him, and I don't publicly embarrass flamboyant people. I mean, if you saw this, you would have to assume it was a joke. He was otherwise dressed and talking masculine.
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Another time a student sitting on his friend's lap while he's getting his back stroked, calls another student gay. I want to tell them not to say that stuff in my class, but I'm paralyzed by the irony of it all. Or seeing grown men hold hands.
Dressing like a girl, stroking your friend's butt very softly, constantly adjusting appearance, watching soap operas, calling other men sexy, and listening to cheesy pop ballads is not gay. Not all guys are like this, though. I get the feeling the proportion will run higher in certain types of towns. By that I mean this "have you ever seen a straight or gay (poor) man in a poor neighborhood walk around in $100 women's blouses?"
I'm still trying to figure out what triggered one student to call another "gay" and why it's an insult in Korea to call someone gay when cross-dressing, prissiness, wimpiness, whining, homosexual flirtation, et al are exalted in much of the mainstream media and entertainment. |
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Kiarell
Joined: 29 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Bibbitybop wrote: |
I see Korean campers on mountains, but it is set up for people. I haven't heard about bushwack camping or anything else, except that it's legal to camp on beaches. And beaches have lots of stores around them. When people hike here, they bring EVERYTHING they need for comfort. I don't even want thing about the resources brought for camping. |
Something about being able to order in takes away from the whole camping experience. So Korean camping culture is near non-existent or sucks.
On the other hand, it is nice that is okay to set up tents where they do. Too many places back home are unsuited or it's just not allowed at parks or beaches. |
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Ruraljuror

Joined: 08 Dec 2007
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Kiarell and Bibbity -- why would you post on a thread without ever having read anything in the thread other than the title?
I suspect you are the kinds of people who, in a conversation, merely wait for the other person to finish talking so that you are able to talk again; rather than actually listen to what the person is saying.
I now consider this thread to be a rather revealing experiment...hopefully it will go on for pages and pages, and we will be able to compile a list of people who feel the need to babble on and on based merely on a title, rather than the content of the thread. |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: |
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Ruraljuror wrote: |
Kiarell and Bibbity -- why would you post on a thread without ever having read anything in the thread other than the title?
I suspect you are the kinds of people who, in a conversation, merely wait for the other person to finish talking so that you are able to talk again; rather than actually listen to what the person is saying.
I now consider this thread to be a rather revealing experiment...hopefully it will go on for pages and pages, and we will be able to compile a list of people who feel the need to babble on and on based merely on a title, rather than the content of the thread. |
1. This is eslcafe, not a dinner party.
2. I like distractions.
3. My topic fits the title.
4. My topic is interesting.
5. The OP's writing style is funny, in a good way, but easy to tangent from.
6. Duvel and Cass Ice Lite, in that order. |
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bizrandom

Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Location: Busan
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Bibbitybop wrote: |
Ruraljuror wrote: |
Kiarell and Bibbity -- why would you post on a thread without ever having read anything in the thread other than the title?
I suspect you are the kinds of people who, in a conversation, merely wait for the other person to finish talking so that you are able to talk again; rather than actually listen to what the person is saying.
I now consider this thread to be a rather revealing experiment...hopefully it will go on for pages and pages, and we will be able to compile a list of people who feel the need to babble on and on based merely on a title, rather than the content of the thread. |
1. This is eslcafe, not a dinner party.
2. I like distractions.
3. My topic fits the title.
4. My topic is interesting.
5. The OP's writing style is funny, in a good way, but easy to tangent from.
6. Duvel and Cass Ice Lite, in that order. |
I actually thought your initial post was quite funny, as here in the states and I have lived in 4 areas from east to west coast, I have never heard campy describe effiminate. Brokeback, well thats another term altogether... LOL |
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Kikomom

Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: |
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red_devil

Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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This thread is ROFL hilarious! Kiarell's post = Priceless. Please post more stories, this is great.
Your last part showed a little bit of ignorance though, Korean drama's aren't all necessarily "soap operas" either, some of them are just as Primetime as Heroes, Sex in the City, House, or ER. Same could be said for the "cheesy pop ballads" that could be comparable to American genres, Kenny-G or something.
I've never heard of "campy" being used in that way either. In advertising they say "campy" meaning cliched and homely. |
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gaolibang4ever
Joined: 27 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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Korean men do seem to have a propensity to display homosexual tendencies and rather effeminate behavior. Ever notice how they always stare at a foreigner's *beep*, pretty much gawking at it, whenever a foreigner walks into a public bath mogyoktang? I have heard horror stories from my foreigner friends of the classic Korean gay stare.
No wonder then that the classic ideal of Korean "manliness" is represented by an effeminate looking queer like popstar Rain. It make sense now. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Korean men are refreshingly free of the macho hangups so frequent in the West. They don't automatically associate touching with sex, so sitting on another guy's lap, giving a back rub, holding hands are not loaded with sexual messages/undertones like they are in other cultures. A couple of semesters ago one of the guys was talking about why he was sleepy. He'd stayed up late talking in bed with his roommate. Everyone teased him, but that was all there was to it. It's common for two friends to lay on a bed talking.
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Local Korean men, in my experience, are extremely uncomfortable to associate with. They're a bizzare mixture of way too much ego, insufferable insecurity, touchy, childish, "macho", and comming on too strong.
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Everyone's experiences are different and I'm not saying you are wrong. My experiences are just different, except for the 'coming on too strong' part--there is a lot of Instant Best Friend Syndrome around. For the ones who avoid that, I find vastly entertaining. So many are highly motivated and ambitious. I've never worked out a life plan in detail, year by year, but I know dozens of Koreans who have. Many are quite idealistic and seem to have thought about what it means to live a good life, in its various aspects.
There is often the insecurity of coming from a small country that recently developed and the constant reference to Japan can be irritating, but on a personal level, I think most of the Korean men I know are much more secure than most of the Western men I know. They lack the need to constantly remind you of their achievements, real or imagined. I put it down to the indulgent way they are raised as little kids.
I think Korean men are also much more in touch with their feelings than most Western men.
I've debated this topic with some foreigner friends before. One said that maybe Korean men treat me differently because of my age, and there may be some truth to that. I think what accounts for the difference is that my foreign friends do their normal macho posturing in the bar and that provokes similar responses among the Koreans.
As for the situation presented by the OP, who knows what is going on? I'm a little puzzled by this:
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think hes after a freebie, sometimes im cool with it |
The first time I read it, I didn't make a connection with 'free English lesson' and I'm still not sure that is what is meant since it is followed by:
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Hes ripped- a real good 6 pack etc.
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It's the 21st Century and attitudes are changing everywhere. I think you should just do what you are comfortable with and not worry overly much what other people think. |
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