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nuthatch
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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I'm doing summer school right now, and I'm a male.
I work from 07/23 to 07/29. And though I only have classes from 9 AM to 11:20 AM I have to remain at the school until 5:00.
Then I get 5 days off, then two weeks of camp and then the rest of the month off and then my contract ends...
So it's nothing to do with a male hierarchy...the only people at the school are the VP and myself (both male). The Korean female teachers are on their vacation.
As for inequity in the work load maybe they think you are a better teacher. Or maybe you PO'ed them off somehow. Or maybe he was just able to negotiate a better contract.
As long as they are following the contract (you get your vacation days) then that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
Life isn't fair, some of us have to work harder than others. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: |
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I'd be disgruntled too, if I were the OP. (I'm taking it that the two of you are in the same school building. Right?)
The first step would be to talk to the other foreign teacher. Unless he's a loser he will cooperate with you and go in to the powers that be with you and together you suggest an equitable split.
If, however, you are teaching middle school and he's teaching high school (or whatever) or you are in one school and he's in a different school in the same district. If that is the case, then you are just out of luck. |
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nuthatch
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| Has the other guy been there longer than you? Do they value his services more? Those two things could have something to do with it. Presumably you work for different schools - perhaps his school(s) has less going on during the summer. Perhaps his school(s) tries harder than yours to get him more time off. |
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nuthatch
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:45 am Post subject: |
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Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
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| Has the other guy been there longer than you? Do they value his services more? Those two things could have something to do with it. Presumably you work for different schools - perhaps his school(s) has less going on during the summer. Perhaps his school(s) tries harder than yours to get him more time off. |
Thanks for your comment.
He has been there only a month and a half or maybe 2 months longer than me. Time really should not come into the picture anyway when considering what is actually written in legal contracts. Beyond that, I have more years of experience, and more educational background in my credentials. Not to discredit him and his good energy with the students, but if one wanted to consider qualities of individuals, I actually am older and have more experience and education. So let's just get back to legal contracts and equality in the workplace.
Regarding the schools, we don't go to "a" particular school. We both have been spread out (you cannot imagine the territory we cover, but I won't go into that here) and we both go to many schools all week long, both elementary and middle. He nor I "belong" to one school or two. He, as I, belong to the district office. So it really does not matter which schools have summer programs. He could just be distributed to whatever I was doing, anyway.
Whether they did it subconsciously or consciously, when I look at my typed schedule and then at his, it is pretty black and white to me what they did.
Yes, it could be they value his services more...BECAUSE HE IS A GUY! The term is "boys network!"
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| nuthatch wrote: |
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
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| Has the other guy been there longer than you? Do they value his services more? Those two things could have something to do with it. Presumably you work for different schools - perhaps his school(s) has less going on during the summer. Perhaps his school(s) tries harder than yours to get him more time off. |
Thanks for your comment.
He has been there only a month and a half or maybe 2 months longer than me. Time really should not come into the picture anyway when considering what is actually written in legal contracts. Beyond that, I have more years of experience, and more educational background in my credentials. Not to discredit him and his good energy with the students, but if one wanted to consider qualities of individuals, I actually am older and have more experience and education. So let's just get back to legal contracts and equality in the workplace.
Regarding the schools, we don't go to "a" particular school. We both have been spread out (you cannot imagine the territory we cover, but I won't go into that here) and we both go to many schools all week long, both elementary and middle. He nor I "belong" to one school or two. He, as I, belong to the district office. So it really does not matter which schools have summer programs. He could just be distributed to whatever I was doing, anyway.
Yes, it could be they value his services more...BECAUSE HE IS A GUY! The term is "boys network!" |
Or, perhaps the school district figured that with your experience, you'd be less likely to screw things up, and felt safer with you covering most of the summer classes.
In any event, your account is another good reason why it's best to avoid working as a guest teacher / jack-of-all-English for school districts and to get oneself assigned to one particular school. |
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nuthatch
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| thanks for your feedback |
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cruisemonkey
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:57 am Post subject: |
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There's no equality between any schools when it comes to vacation - different schools, different principals, different policies.
It runs the gammut from having the entire vacation period off to having to go in all day, every day (except for one's 'official' holidays) teaching camps or not... and everything in between. |
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kprrok
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Why do I get the feeling that no matter how it's phrased, the OP isn't gonna get the picture that this is Korea and public school vacation time is completely arbitrary and can come and go on a whim of a principal or person in the MOE. I get the feeling that the OP is hell-bent on this being a man vs. woman thing and she is getting worked hard and thus being discriminated against because she is a woman and the "boys network" is trying to stick it to a woman.
OP, talk to the other whitey. Maybe he had some agreement before he came or entered into an agreement after he got here. Until you talk to him and find out what he's up to, you have no leg to stand on about this. Just talk to the whitey and the people in charge.
Also, for reference, if the contract says you get 7 days in summer and 7 in winter, that's a minimum. It's not a violation of the law to grant MORE vacation, only less. Deal with it. |
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nuthatch
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:26 am Post subject: |
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God forbid u have to do some work for ur keep...  |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| Go to the principal, if this bothers you so much, and ASK him politely to make the schedules a little more equal. If he doesn't, well, you gave him his chance. Go over his head to the woman you mentioned. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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cruisemonkey wrote:
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| There's no equality between any schools when it comes to vacation - different schools, different principals, different policies. |
Not sure if you read things completely, but we do not work for " a principal." We both work for, and in, the same district office.
Your casual acceptance of no equality has nothing to back it up. I think you are probably a guy as are the other posters. |
You're arguing from a very hypothetical basis here. As kprrok explained, things in Korea are often done arbitrarily with no perceived need for explanation. And there could be many, many different explanations. Perhaps you're very beautiful and the other guy's kind of ugly, and the district thought that you'd look better in all the photo-ops they plan to do of their magnificent summer programme that they can't wait to show off. Sound preposterous? Not to anyone who's worked in Korea for a while. Perhaps a bunch of hot young female Korean teachers will be working in the programme, and they're afraid that one of them might get too friendly with this young, new guy. Perhaps whoever made the decision decided that you have a better accent and are easier to understand. Perhaps someone made a complaint about the guy that you don't know about and X school doesn't want him working at their school. Or perhaps you're getting shafted because your a woman and he's getting off easy because he's a guy. It's one of scores of possible explanations.
What you can be more sure of is that if you succeed in raising a big stink, it's much more likely that neither of you will get any extra time off next time round. |
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nuthatch
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