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Moscow world's most expensive city for expats; Seoul fifth

 
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Moscow world's most expensive city for expats; Seoul fifth Reply with quote

Moscow is the world's most expensive city for expats, while Tokyo has pipped London to move into second place, according to a global cost of living survey published Thursday.

The study takes New York as the base measure for prices, comparing over 200 items, including housing, transport, food, clothing, household goods and entertainment, in 143 cities across the globe.

Europe and Asia dominate the top 10 in the study by British-based consultancy firm Mercer, while the Paraguayan capital Asuncion is the least expensive for the sixth straight year.

The weakening dollar has a key impact on costs for expatriate staff, making American cities comparatively cheap for non-Americans while US executives sent abroad by their firms face huge bills in dollar terms.

"Moscow's position as the most expensive place for expatriate living has been strengthened by the appreciation of the ruble against the US dollar and ... rising accommodation costs," said Mercer research head Yvonne Traber.

"Although the traditionally expensive cities of western Europe and Asia still feature in the top 20, cities in eastern Europe, Brazil and India are creeping up the list," she added.

The Russian capital is the world's most expensive city for the third straight year, with a cup of coffee in a Moscow cafe priced at 10.40 dollars (6.60 euros) including service.

Other Asian cities in the top 10 include Seoul in fifth and Hong Kong in 6th. Osaka is just outside the top 10 at number 11.

North America is the place to go for cheap living: New York is its only city to feature in this year's top 50 in 22nd place, dropping seven places on its 2007 ranking.

"On the bright side, the US dollar's loss of value may serve to attract globally mobile executives to business centres such as New York, Chicago and Los Angeles," said Traber.

"The difference in cost of living can be significant, particularly for those executives with families," she added.

In the Middle East, Tel Aviv remains the most expensive city in 14th place, while Dubai and Abu Dhabi have dropped to 52 and 65 respectively, mainly due to their currency being pegged to the US dollar.

African cities have mostly moved down the league table, except for Lagos which has moved up to 30th place.

Here are the top 20 most expensive cities, with their 2007 places in brackets:

1 (1) Moscow

2 (4) Tokyo

3 (2) London

4 (10) Oslo

5 (3) Seoul

6 (5) Hong Kong

7 (6) Copenhagen

8 (7) Geneva

9 (9) Zurich

10 (11) Milan

11 (Cool Osaka

12 (13) Paris

13 (14) Singapore

14 (17) Tel Aviv

15 (21) Sydney

16 (16) Dublin

16 (1Cool Rome

18 (12) St. Petersburg

19 (19) Vienna

20 (20) Beijing

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080724143601.j9gbdfi1&show_article=1
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space sister



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That can't be right. With the current strength of the Euro theres noway Seoul is more expensive to live in the say Oslo or Dublin. I'm from Dublin and its DEFINITELY more expensive that Seoul, for everything.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 4 things they rate are:

housing, transport, food, clothing,

Housing: included with many contracts. When not included, it's easy to find a place for 400,000-500,000 a month, even with a small 2.0 mil deposit. Small place, but livable.

Transportation: Are you kidding? 1,000 bus and subway rides. 15,000 won cab rides to the other side of city. Maybe cars and parking are expensive. But motorbikes can be had for cheap with cheap maintenance and low fuel usage.

Food: Cook at home, cheap. Eat at a local place: Bulgogi or jigae with rice = 4,000 won.

Clothing: 3,000-5,000 shirts on the street, 500 won socks, cheap everything else if you go to Namdaemun or street vendors. Even t-shirts in Doota are 20,000 won, about the rate you'd pay for a mall shirt in the USA.



Seoul is expensive for residents, not expats, esp. not teachers. Housing for a family is a lot, education is a whole lot, and wages are often less than teachers make, but everything else is cheap for people.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
Food: Cook at home, cheap. Eat at a local place: Bulgogi or jigae with rice = 4,000 won.


The inexpensive Korean restaurants are a good way to eat cheap, but I find cooking at home more expensive rather than less. Meat, dairy and fresh fruit are my food staples, and they aren't cheap in Korea. Milk isn't too bad but it's set to go up 20% next week (was in the paper earlier this week)!
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The Kimster



Joined: 10 Apr 2008
Location: Hong Kong

PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the OP and other posters are totally missing the point of these surveys. They are not talking about the cost of living to the average ESL teacher in Seoul, Moscow, Tokyo, that's not what the surveys are designed for. They are talking about a fixed basket of hign end goods:
chauffeur driven car rather that bus/subway
high end 3 brdm apt rather than small officetel in nowhere-dong
night out at the hyatt rather than bbq at your local k-restaurant

On that basis, the survey probably makes sense.
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orosee



Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Kimster wrote:
I think the OP and other posters are totally missing the point of these surveys. They are not talking about the cost of living to the average ESL teacher in Seoul, Moscow, Tokyo, that's not what the surveys are designed for. They are talking about a fixed basket of hign end goods:
chauffeur driven car rather that bus/subway
high end 3 brdm apt rather than small officetel in nowhere-dong
night out at the hyatt rather than bbq at your local k-restaurant

On that basis, the survey probably makes sense.


Well put. I have seen another survey yesterday where it was said that for city X, the expat has to spend (forgot the exact number, say 150,000 USD) in the first month(!) to set up for the first year. I have NO idea what level of expat they were thinking of, but for that kond of money you can live like the top 5% at home. The value mentioned did NOT include rent which was given as 10,000 USD and up.

In Bangkok I used to live in a very comfortable apartment in a low rise condo, around 120 or 140 sqm 3 bed/2 bath with personal car space, large pool, free gym (well-equipped, too), 24 hour security at the house and the street entrance, just about 5 minutes drive from Asoke and Sathorn (which is quite central though the area was still considered to be a bit out of the way), for 700 USD a month (now it is closer to 1,000 because of the exchange rate loss). Wedged between 2 lush gardens, private access road, bla bla bla... extremely lovely which is the reason I still keep renting it even though I am now in Korea.

However my boss never lived in a place that cost less than 2,000 USD per month and usually closer to 3,000, but he has 2 kids so needs more space. At that he is still on the cheap end of the expat housing scale because a look in the papers will show you that expatriate CEO residences have monthly rents of 8 to 10,000 USD and up. That's for Fortune 500 CEOs and crazy people though, we are talking 8 bed/6 bath on 3 floors, with 1,000 sqm plu garden space in enclosed mini-villages.

So living like a king in Bangkok or Seoul has its price, but I am not sure if the scale is linear, i.e. if Seoul is #5 on the list whether you spend 25,000 USD a month on living and entertainment, or 800 USD.

If you take out the rent then Seoul is much cheaper than I thought. Cars are a lot cheaper than in Thailand, where an 8 year old Japanese sedan can still cost you from 1 to 2,000 USD. New ones are also more expensive.

I used the ranking and cost-of-living tables to calculate my savings potential, added a few percent for increased responsibilities, and came up with a doubling of my salary just to get a 5% increase in savings. My boss just laughed at that Very Happy

As it turns out after I convinced the company to pay 100% of my rent, and with the tax free status for 5 years, I can save 15% more on just a 20% increase in salary.

Where I got screwed really is the home leave tickets. I asked for 4 economy return flights per year (Seoul-Bangkok-Seoul) and the company calculated at 500 USD per ticket and slapped that on top of my salary; today I have trouble finding a good airline online that sells ticket for under 1,000 USD. Crying or Very sad

Time to renegotiate I guess...
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