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The Noonchi Thread (why Koreans act the way they do)
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: The Noonchi Thread (why Koreans act the way they do) Reply with quote

So, I thought I'd start a thread about Noonchi.

Do you know what it is? Have you heard this before?

Noonchi is the reason Koreans act the way they do. It is a behavior that we, as westerners, have a VERY hard time grasping. Sometimes, it defies common sense. Most of the time, it goes against our own social behavior.

There really isn't a solid definition of Noonchi because it applies on so many levels. Some might say Noonchi is "respect" but it goes way beyond that. I made this thread so that we can discuss it and help each other understand it.
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um, from what I understood of nunchi, your explanation is well off. I've heard jeong described in similar terms to your post though...

According to wikipedia:
Nunchi refers to a concept in Korean culture, described as "the subtle art of listening and gauging another's mood". It is of central importance to the dynamics of interpersonal relationships in Korean culture. Nunchi is literally translated as "eye-measure".

There mightn't be a specific term for it in English, but tact and empathy come close, and they're both quite valued in the West.
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bluelake



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about some experiences? I remember many over the years where I was saying something to someone and, later on, my wife gets upset with me about it and says something like, "You should have noticed my eyes."
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nautilus



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
described as "the subtle art of listening and gauging another's mood". It is of central importance to the dynamics of interpersonal relationships in Korean culture. Nunchi is literally translated as "eye-measure".


koreans, more than any other nation I know, appear to communicate with body language to a very high degree.
That goes for Korean women too. They expect you to know a massive amount without having actually told you in words. More so than western women, even.
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Freakstar



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is how I would define "noonchi" or 눈치- social perceptiveness, social awareness, social sense, social tact.

If you have no noonchi, then basically you're not very aware of others and how they perceive you, or you're unaware of the situation at hand.

Noonchi is not respect. They're totally different. Though someone who has no noonchi might be seen as disrespectful in certain situations, just because you have noonchi doesn't mean you're being respectful. So respect has nothing to do with it.

Also, noonchi alone doesn't account for why Koreans behave the way they do.


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peppermint



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm reasonably good with that sort of thing, at least most of the time, but my co teachers seemed to think I'd pick up very specific info, like say classes being cancelled, through nunchi, and I guess the force just isn't that strong with me, because I never managed that feat.
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nautilus



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freakstar wrote:
This is how I would define "noonchi" or 눈치- social perceptiveness, social awareness, social sense, social tact.

If you have no noonchi, then basically you're not very aware of others and how they perceive you, or you're unaware of the situation at hand.


Good definition. But in Korea it has one caveat: it only applies to people youve been introduced to. Strangers get its opposite extreme.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noon-chi is that inconvenient skill some Koreans display. You're stressed out for some reason, like a run-in with the boss or your girlfriend just dumped you, so you paste a fake smile on, walk into class determined to get through it and a hand shoots up and the student says, "Teacher, are you OK?" I've noticed more tactful students ask if you are tired.

It's downright creepy when you are trying to hide your feelings. It must be hell being a teenager with a mom who has good noon-chi.
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blaseblasphemener



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found that elementary kids haven't honed the skill as well, like the other day when I had a bunch of shit-heads at camp who couldn't pick up on my body language that Mt. St. Teacher was about to blow.

Maybe that's how they learn this trait so well, from pissing off the foreign teacher. Evil or Very Mad
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Kikomom



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it's intuition?
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Draz



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
I'm reasonably good with that sort of thing, at least most of the time, but my co teachers seemed to think I'd pick up very specific info, like say classes being cancelled, through nunchi, and I guess the force just isn't that strong with me, because I never managed that feat.


I can do this. (Sometimes.) I think it scares them. Laughing

Yeah, "you look tired" seems to mean about a thousand different things.
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Pooty



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
So it's intuition?


pretty much...although it's been refined to an exponential level in Korea.
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Kikomom



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nautilus wrote:
... it has one caveat: it only applies to people you've been introduced to. Strangers get its opposite extreme.


Something you might want to consider when sitting down to the poker table.
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zpeanut



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pooty wrote:
Kikomom wrote:
So it's intuition?


pretty much...although it's been refined to an exponential level in Korea.



Yeah, I'd agree. Plus.. its also a combination of body/eye language..

Having nunchi is very important. If you're a 'nunchi obneun saram' - a person without nunchi, you're considered to be pretty stupid, really.

You may hear the phrase ' aiishi, nunchi obso..' ... this is a complaint of how dimwitted a person is.

I've had male friends who say:
'see that girl there? shes into me'
'and how do you know?'
'check out her nunchi'...

Now I dunno how valid that example is, cos my friend has a bit of a big head. But it just shows how koreans may relate so many things to nunchi.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noonchi has a lot to do with Korean behavior. Noonchi goes hand in hand with the "Senior, Junior" relationship in Korea.

In my opnion, noonchi goes beyond just judging someone's mood.

It is very complicated and I can't really explain it myself, hence the thread for open discussion.
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