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institutes that allow private lessons in Daejeon?
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think not Joo,

Not under the current laws.
If its a class the kids have to be enrolled, therefore your income declared, therefore not privates....
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe the school could pay you directly. I have seen school even touting this is a fringe benefit on the job board.


If you do it in the classroom and the director approves you will never -never get busted.


Everyone out there ask for it. You do it several times and you will get it.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awwww, come on now. We all KNOW the answer to this question. It's illegal to work at two places UNLESS the man approves it. And the man is IMMIGRATION. It does not matter what the school owners decide. Immigration is the only one who can approve it. If not, then it's illegal.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Homer wrote:
Joo,

This does not make them any more legal....but it does make them more dangerous to do because more people will know about it...i.e. the Director and the entire staff...


then they perfectly legal if the boss knows about it and gives permission. He could always just say it is a class.



But the question was Mr. Joo, will the boss take a cut? And after the "cut" how much money will you have left? About as much as you would get for teaching a regular class? I can't see the boss just standing back and letting the foreigner keep all the money for himself. Why would he bother with something that is illegal and enrichs only a foreigner? And Homer and hellofaniceguy are completely right. It is still illegal.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
maybe the school could pay you directly. I have seen school even touting this is a fringe benefit on the job board.


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How do you know that they don't mean extra classes. One on one maybe, but extra classes all the same? And if the director just pays you what he pays for your other classes, there is nothing you can do.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent points UrbanMyth,

Jo, your scheme sounds like a great way to add regular classes to your schedule without getting paid better and with the added bonus of it being illegal...not much of an upside is there?
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Excellent points UrbanMyth,

Jo, your scheme sounds like a great way to add regular classes to your schedule without getting paid better and with the added bonus of it being illegal...not much of an upside is there?


There are schools that will allow you to keep it all. And the class is not illegal if the hogwon launders the money for you.


Everyone ask for it. You can get it.
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bibimbap



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is all semantics!

What's a 'class'? What's a 'private'?

What's the difference between doing a 'private' AT your school and...

arranging 'overtime' with a one-person class at a premium rate??

If the work is sanctioned by your hagwon, then it's perfectly legal. Because the legality of your employment is dependent on your E-2. Everyone wins - and, yes, even if the Hagwon doesn't take a cut - because their employees are much happier and less willing to bail at the first sign of trouble. A savvy principal recognises this. And there are some out there.
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J.B. Clamence



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bibimbap wrote:
This is all semantics!

What's a 'class'? What's a 'private'?

What's the difference between doing a 'private' AT your school and...

arranging 'overtime' with a one-person class at a premium rate??

If the work is sanctioned by your hagwon, then it's perfectly legal. Because the legality of your employment is dependent on your E-2. Everyone wins - and, yes, even if the Hagwon doesn't take a cut - because their employees are much happier and less willing to bail at the first sign of trouble. A savvy principal recognises this. And there are some out there.


The difference is whether you are teaching the one-on-one for your employer or for yourself. Just because your employer sanctions it doesn't make it legal. In order for it to be legal, it would have to be on-site and it would have to be (at least on paper) on behalf of the school. Finding students and teaching them on the side outside of your responsibilities at the school is illegal. Whether or not your boss says it's ok is irrelevent as far as the legality goes. In order for it to be legal, your boss not only has to say it's ok, but he also has to consider those lessons as work you are doing for him, whether he chooses to take a cut or not.

I'm not saying taht it makes sense, but that is Korean law.
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KFTU



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

be careful the institute might allow them then comes the last month of your contract and they hand you in and so they dont have to pay your return airfare, severance pay or last month salary, be careful, this hapened to 2 friends of mine
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Holyjoe



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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what is stopping me from teaching privates(with the 'addition of location' form being submitted) at my house after work and running ads to increase the number of students i get? i will pay tax too as the op mentioned..


It must be a fully licenced and registered language institute before they'll even consider giving permission for the 2nd place. So if you wanted to do that then you'd have to buy premises and register all the official business documents - far outweighing the perceived benefits of teaching "privates"
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a bit of semantics indeed.

but, bottom line most of the schemes in this thread boil down to wanting to do privates, i.e. cash in pocket, and I fail to see why you would do so by asking your employer.

If you are willing to roll the dice with your visa for a few extra bucks then go for it.
But I hope you will provide a service that is comensurate to the money they will pay you for those private lessons.

Finally, to put this to rest: its pointless to declare the income of your pvt lessons as they are illegal anyway.
If you teach them at your school they will be included in your class load (at best you might get paid overtime rate) and taxed accordingly.

Teaching privates all depends on what your situation is and on how you see Teaching.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the first school I worked at, I was encouraged to do privates. Not by the boss, but by the other teachers. They just told me to keep it hush hush and it would all be OK.

The only thing was, I refused. The teacher I was replacing wanted to give me her private students, as she was heading back home. She was relentless at trying to get me to agree to this. I just kept saying, but I don't want any privates.
Some guy wanted me to teach his kids for 2 hours in the afternoon, 3 days a week. That would have been fine except for the fact that I was working a split shift. I really didn't need any afternoon classes. The guy actually cornered me in the school trying to get me to agree to teach his kids. I just kept saying no, I told him it was illegal and walked out. I could tell he was upset, but I didn't care. Who the hell was this guy anyway, to walk in and demand that I teach his kids?
Somehow I think he was able to complain to the boss about this, eventhough it was illegal, and the school got nothing, he was friends with the boss and.......... well, nobody said anything to me about it, but I could tell they weren't happy with me.

I didn't come here to kill myself.

cheers
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wylde



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holyjoe wrote:
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what is stopping me from teaching privates(with the 'addition of location' form being submitted) at my house after work and running ads to increase the number of students i get? i will pay tax too as the op mentioned..


It must be a fully licenced and registered language institute before they'll even consider giving permission for the 2nd place. So if you wanted to do that then you'd have to buy premises and register all the official business documents - far outweighing the perceived benefits of teaching "privates"


what i was actually saying (in a round-a-bout way) was that if it were legal why don't we all do that if the op says it is so easy to do privates.. he wasn't asking if it was ok to do, he was telling us it is ok
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