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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| in my limited dealings with Koreans outside the country.... |
You just admitted you have only limited dealings with Koreans outside the country. There are many posters on here who have had considerable dealings with Koreans outside the country and have testified to the fact that many of them retain their insular, narrowminded ways and patterns of life regardless where they go. I tend to believe those who have more experience, as should you since you seem so down on anecdotal evidence.
Oh, and my post was intended to be lighthearted rather than "damn" all Koreans as ignorant hypocrites, but you knew that, you're just playing your favorite game again. Have fun, Captain Nauseous!
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| in my limited dealings with Koreans outside the country.... |
You just admitted you have only limited dealings with Koreans outside the country. There are many posters on here who have had considerable dealings with Koreans outside the country and have testified to the fact that many of them retain their insular, narrowminded ways and patterns of life regardless where they go. I tend to believe those who have more experience, as should you since you seem so down on anecdotal evidence.
Oh, and my post was intended to be lighthearted rather than "damn" all Koreans as ignorant hypocrites, but you knew that, you're just playing your favorite game again. Have fun, Captain Nauseous!
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How can this discussion be anything but anecdotal?
I've had much experience with preparing co-workers to go on business trips overseas and without fail from the CEO on down Topic A of concern is "Where is the Korean restaurant in City X and what's the number so we can make reservations?"
These are people going to Zurich, Paris, etc. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| many of them retain their insular, narrowminded ways and patterns of life regardless where they go. |
So, if someone prefers his native country's cuisine to that of another country, this automatically makes him narrow-minded and insular? Isn't that kind of a superficial critieria? If these Koreans are so narrow-minded and insular, why are they travelling overseas to begin with?
Also, how do you know that the Koreans you see in Korean restaurants in the west don't also patronize western-style restaurants? |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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I only go to BK occasionaly. Mostly because I'm in a hurry.
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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I've had much experience with preparing co-workers to go on business trips overseas and without fail from the CEO on down Topic A of concern is "Where is the Korean restaurant in City X and what's the number so we can make reservations?"
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So what? How does this make them any different from westerners(myself included) who scout out the nearest fast food joint when visiting a foreign city?
The fact is, westerners can go anywhere in the world and pretty much be guaranteed to find burgers, fries, and pizza. Koreans try to do the same thing, and they get called names. Nice. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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I've had much experience with preparing co-workers to go on business trips overseas and without fail from the CEO on down Topic A of concern is "Where is the Korean restaurant in City X and what's the number so we can make reservations?"
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So what? How does this make them any different from westerners(myself included) who scout out the nearest fast food joint when visiting a foreign city?
The fact is, westerners can go anywhere in the world and pretty much be guaranteed to find burgers, fries, and pizza. Koreans try to do the same thing, and they get called names. Nice. |
There is a serious reading comprehension problem on this board. Who's calling names?
Personally, I find it ridiculous that a person, Korean or otherwise, who has the opportunity to visit Europe would not only not look forward to sampling the local cuisine, but is so determined beforehand to avoid it that s/he has to locate the Korean restaurants before even leaving Korea. Korean or otherwise.
So, if you are a person who hankers for a Royale with Fromage the minute you set foot in Marseilles, I would judge you about the same as the Koreans who insist that you can't have a "meal" without kimchi on the table. No name-calling, however.
Not to mention that yes, there are Korean restaurants/markets in damn near any large city in the world. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Who's calling names?
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I was specifically thinking of the terms "insular and narrow-minded", used earlier in this thread.
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| Personally, I find it ridiculous that a person, Korean or otherwise, who has the opportunity to visit Europe would not only not look forward to sampling the local cuisine, but is so determined beforehand to avoid it that s/he has to locate the Korean restaurants before even leaving Korea. |
But, again, how do we know that these people aren't also sampling the local cuisine? As for making inquiries before leaving the home country, well, the co-workers in your anecdote were going away on business, not pleasure. They're not going for a cultural experience in the first place, and would probably just as soon stay home. So, why should they be expected to sample all aspects of the country they're visiting? |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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I gotta agree with the business vs. pleasure argument. Sure, businessmen should try new food from the countries they visit, but they're only shooting themselves in the foot by not doing it; I wouldn't hold it against them terribly much.
It's another thing, however, when you go to the Korean area on Khao San road, and you can have the total Korean experience while you're there. When travelling, yea, I wanna eat Kangaroo steak and pad thai and hokkien mee. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Who's calling names?
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I was specifically thinking of the terms "insular and narrow-minded", used earlier in this thread.
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| Personally, I find it ridiculous that a person, Korean or otherwise, who has the opportunity to visit Europe would not only not look forward to sampling the local cuisine, but is so determined beforehand to avoid it that s/he has to locate the Korean restaurants before even leaving Korea. |
But, again, how do we know that these people aren't also sampling the local cuisine? As for making inquiries before leaving the home country, well, the co-workers in your anecdote were going away on business, not pleasure. They're not going for a cultural experience in the first place, and would probably just as soon stay home. So, why should they be expected to sample all aspects of the country they're visiting? |
Fair enough. I know because I talk to them.
Hey, people are different. I'm sure there are many in the Maritimes or wherever else who are not interested in overseas travel or foreign food. To each his or her own. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I gotta agree with the business vs. pleasure argument. Sure, businessmen should try new food from the countries they visit, but they're only shooting themselves in the foot by not doing it; I wouldn't hold it against them terribly much. |
I agree. I don't hold it against them, but jeez louise, get a paid trip to France or Switzerland and not want to go? Or not want to try the food in a region known for spectacular cuisine? |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Like I said, they're definitely shooting themselves in the foot... |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Like I said, they're definitely shooting themselves in the foot...
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To each his own. I'm not much of a world traveller myself, and if I were sent on a weekend business trip to a foreign city, I might want to just get through it with minimal disruption of my usual routine. In fact, after a long flight and a series of hectic meetings in a foreign language, a bit of familiar cuisine might be exactly what I want. |
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FierceInvalid
Joined: 16 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Pink:
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Why feel guilty?....Do Koreans stare at me, NOPE.
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Yeah, me neither really. The guilt (slight as it is) comes not from overt reactions by other people, but from this:
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| But one of my co workers used to think I always ate there when I would go out for lunch all the time. |
I know I don't eat fast food often, but I also know that every time I do I'm probably reinforcing this stereotype at least once. Not a huge deal, but I'd be lying if I said I'd never thought about it. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Corporal wrote: |
| You just admitted you have only limited dealings with Koreans outside the country. There are many posters on here who have had considerable dealings with Koreans outside the country and have testified to the fact that many of them retain their insular, narrowminded ways and patterns of life regardless where they go. I tend to believe those who have more experience, as should you since you seem so down on anecdotal evidence. |
You're forming opinions based on what others say because you have no first hand experience, but choosing to ignore what others say that don't match up with what you are hoping to convey? Sure, many will hit Korean restaurants. Many will also go local. In my non-scientific observations (both first hand and in summary polls after the fact), local food was eaten far more often than Korean food found there.
You can't even offer your own anecdotal evidence to the conversation but simply parrot selective quotes you've heard before. Anything else that you would like to pull out of the air to support your beliefs?
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| Oh, and my post was intended to be lighthearted rather than "damn" all Koreans as ignorant hypocrites, but you knew that, you're just playing your favorite game again. Have fun, Captain Nauseous! |
While the first half was a parity posting, the second half continued on to be a declaration of your beliefs. Even if you now suggest that it was to be in jest, it would be a posting in poor taste as it only served to insult without humour. |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I usually go to BK once a week. I did have the guilt feeling, so much so that for about 3 years I just didn't go. Now, it is still there a bit, but I have grown lazy and indifferent to it, as I have gotten older. Still for downtown Gwangju BK is the only place that serves a half decent burger, and the key word is half.... |
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