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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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[quote="Real Reality"]
by Jay Jang, Korea Times (July 14, 2008)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2008/07/161_27519.html
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... After reading the opinions of Andrew Jackson and Michael Breen it is clear to me that there is a "mob" of expats who think alike and are unable to think critically on this issue.
It's clear that opinions fell along nationalistic/cultural lines with most Koreans agreeing that something was wrong and most nationalistic foreigners taking the other side.... |
Replace "expats" with "Koreans" and the first highlighted sentence is still true.
In the second paragraph, why are the foreigners described as nationalistic, and the Koreans are not?
Third, how can expats be nationalistic when not all of us, in fact most of us, are not American? ie. How can a multinational group of people be nationalistic? |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Jay Jang is an idiot. That is no generalization. |
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rebel_1812
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| You do know vegetables grow in the dirt. |
and cows graze in it. Whats your point? You still don't want food sold to you thats dirty. The whole point is they think the US beef is dirty and full of diease and yet this fruit on the ground that is likely crawling with bugs is considered okay. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: |
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My issue is not with the dirt. It's with the spit, urine, vomit, and other filth that's all over Korean sidewalks.
And yes, veges grow in dirt, but most of us wash them before we eat them.
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| You do know vegetables grow in the dirt. |
and cows graze in it. Whats your point? You still don't want food sold to you thats dirty. The whole point is they think the US beef is dirty and full of diease and yet this fruit on the ground that is likely crawling with bugs is considered okay. |
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rebel_1812
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
My issue is not with the dirt. It's with the spit, urine, vomit, and other filth that's all over Korean sidewalks.
And yes, veges grow in dirt, but most of us wash them before we eat them.
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| You do know vegetables grow in the dirt. |
and cows graze in it. Whats your point? You still don't want food sold to you thats dirty. The whole point is they think the US beef is dirty and full of diease and yet this fruit on the ground that is likely crawling with bugs is considered okay. |
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yes but in western supermarkets vegetables are washed in the supermarket. So when you wash it at home it is twice as clean as the dirty stuff here in korea. |
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Imrahil
Joined: 04 Feb 2008
Location: On the other side of the world.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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I thought this article was an excellent follow up to the article titled "Irrational expat mob." Yeah sure, only the foreigner's are acting irrationally.
07-29-2008 18:55
Gwanakgu Council Bans American Beef
By Bae Ji-sook
Staff Reporter
Gwanakgu Council in southwestern Seoul passed a resolution Monday not to use American beef for public meals. This is the first time that a local council has made a decision of this kind since the government resumed imports of U.S. beef.
The resolution has no legal binding force, but since it already passed a bill earlier this year to block usage of any ``doubtful'' ingredients, the resolution could add additional weight to the bill discouraging eateries to use American beef, a council member said.
The resolution proposed by Lee Dong-young, a member of Democratic Labor Party, bans American beef being used in meals for children or the elderly and others subsidized by the ward office.
``There are some special risky materials such as intestines, backbones, tongues and other parts being imported without restrictions, causing anxiety among Gwanak residents. The quality checkup program is valid for about a year, which is almost a temporary measure. We cannot say that is an effective countermeasure to stem public anxiety,'' said resolution said.
The passage of the resolution is considered unusual as the 22-membered council has 13 governing Grand National Party members, who support the beef imports. Some analysts said there would be extreme differences over the decision, but the voting turned out to be unanimous.
``Of course there was some disagreement. But all members felt that public health should come first and that the resolution could show that politicians are all serious about keeping people healthy,'' Lee told The Korea Times.
He also explained that the announcement could benefit Korean beef, or Hanwoo, farms in the regions. ``We have a sisterhood contract with several provincial areas. If we ban the imported beef then the Korean beef consumption would go up, benefiting our sister towns,'' he said.
``The residents also supported the decision. They know that such resolution cannot block all risks, but at least they know the council is doing its best to create better firewalls,'' he said.
[email protected]
So the truth finally comes out! (the part I have bolded) this has always been about Korea's protectionist policies. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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99.99% of all Koreans will RUSH to stores to buy US beef.
You'll see.  |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Imrahil wrote: |
I thought this article was an excellent follow up to the article titled "Irrational expat mob." Yeah sure, only the foreigner's are acting irrationally.
07-29-2008 18:55
Gwanakgu Council Bans American Beef
By Bae Ji-sook Staff Reporter
Gwanakgu Council in southwestern Seoul passed a resolution Monday not to use American beef for public meals. This is the first time that a local council has made a decision of this kind since the government resumed imports of U.S. beef....
He also explained that the announcement could benefit Korean beef, or Hanwoo, farms in the regions. "We have a sisterhood contract with several provincial areas. If we ban the imported beef then the Korean beef consumption would go up, benefiting our sister towns," he said.
"The residents also supported the decision. They know that such resolution cannot block all risks, but at least they know the council is doing its best to create better firewalls," he said.
[email protected]
So the truth finally comes out! (the part I have bolded) this has always been about Korea's protectionist policies. |
Michael Breen wrote a little about the protectionism in Korea. He mentioned something on pages 19 and 20 of The Koreans; Who They Are, What They Want, Where There Future Lies.
Michael Breen, a British journalist, quotes a foreign banker who worked closely with a chaebol as saying:
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| "I make a point never to buy any Korean products on principle. Why? I will not support such a rabidly nationalistic, xenophobic and mercantilist economy. Koreans are so predatory and nationalistic. They have a closed economy and a zero-sum attitude to trade. Protectionism in the early stages of an economy is not unreasonable. But in the case of Korea it is almost a religious doctrine to keep foreign things out. If you buy a foreign car, you're seen as a traitor. They pick narrow industrial sectors and all jump in like copycats. If I see a Korean sports team, I root for the other side. Why? Because they're so full of themselves that they leave no room for other parties to participate and enjoy themselves. The 1988 Olympics was worse than the Hitler Games of 1936. Dealing with Koreans is like dealing with bright adolescents. They're full of energy and want to do everything yesterday. But they throw tantrums and are prone to dangerous and erratic behaviour if their whims are not indulged. In most countries, intellectuals become universal. You learn that great ideas and values have no national boundaries. What is profoundly disturbing is that Korean intellectuals become more xenophobic and nationalistic, and perpetuate the idea that all of Korea's problems are the result of wilfulness by foreigners...." |
Amazon.com: Editorial Reviews:
Michael Breen (1998). The Koreans; Who They Are, What They Want, Where There Future Lies. New York: St. Martins Press.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312326092/103-3546866-6500649?vi=reviews |
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Imrahil
Joined: 04 Feb 2008
Location: On the other side of the world.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
99.99% of all Koreans will RUSH to stores to buy US beef.
You'll see. |
I do agree with you, I think the vast majority of Koreans will buy US Beef, although I expect the vast majority to deny this to their friends. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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S Korean Police Arrest 157 at Anti-US Beef Rally
By HYUNG-JIN KIM, Associated Press (August 16, 2008)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080816/ap_on_re_as/skorea_us_beef
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South Korean police arrested nearly 160 people at an overnight rally in downtown Seoul opposing the resumption of U.S. beef imports, an official said Saturday....
Protests against U.S. beef imports have gradually subsided, but civic groups tried to launch a large-scale rally on Friday, saying it would mark their 100th major demonstration against the imports. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Michael Breen, a British journalist, quotes a foreign banker who worked closely with a chaebol as saying:
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| "I make a point never to buy any Korean products on principle. Why? I will not support such a rabidly nationalistic, xenophobic and mercantilist economy. Koreans are so predatory and nationalistic. They have a closed economy and a zero-sum attitude to trade. Protectionism in the early stages of an economy is not unreasonable. But in the case of Korea it is almost a religious doctrine to keep foreign things out. If you buy a foreign car, you're seen as a traitor. They pick narrow industrial sectors and all jump in like copycats. If I see a Korean sports team, I root for the other side. Why? Because they're so full of themselves that they leave no room for other parties to participate and enjoy themselves. The 1988 Olympics was worse than the Hitler Games of 1936. Dealing with Koreans is like dealing with bright adolescents. They're full of energy and want to do everything yesterday. But they throw tantrums and are prone to dangerous and erratic behaviour if their whims are not indulged. In most countries, intellectuals become universal. You learn that great ideas and values have no national boundaries. What is profoundly disturbing is that Korean intellectuals become more xenophobic and nationalistic, and perpetuate the idea that all of Korea's problems are the result of wilfulness by foreigners...." |
Amazon.com: Editorial Reviews:
Michael Breen (1998). The Koreans; Who They Are, What They Want, Where There Future Lies. New York: St. Martins Press.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312326092/103-3546866-6500649?vi=reviews |
Breen has some good insights into how Koreans view things. I have a copy of that book and recommend it. It almost reads like a comedy in parts of the book because it is SO TRUE! |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: |
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No one ever accused Koreans of being logical.
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