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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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I'd really like this thread to stay open. Could you take a little breather, Q? Thanks.
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| You have zero data, just the same tired 'dismissive' act that posters use when they run out of tricks. |
I provided you with factual dates, which you then ignored. Whatever. You could have learned something (the real purpose to any debate), but instead you were willfully ignorant from the start. Not quite sure why, but anyway, sorry if you just lack the intellectual fortitude to keep up (can't be helped I guess). |
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Aren't you the guy who was railing against 'censorship' a page back? And I haven't even used any bad words. Don't see how this thread could be closed on my account |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| The Japanese would have to behave perfectly for the next 200 years to wipe the stench of WWII off of them. |
This is patently ridiculous.
First of all, what do you mean by "behave perfectly"? Nations, like people, do not "behave perfectly." Some behave better that others.
Secondly, and more importantly, why 200 years? More than 60 years as a peaceful democracy isn't good enough for you? Why just 200? Why not 400, or 2,000? Heck, let's punish all their decendants for the sins of their ancestors forever.
And since we're punishing descendants for their ancestors' sins, how many years of good behaviour will be required of Koreans for their abuse of prisoners of war during World War II? Or their massacres of civilians during the Vietnam War? |
Well put. I'll wager that most of these people demonizing Japan as 'thieves' and 'murderers' have never even set foot in the country. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I was concerned about censorship. I was also delighted to see the moderator's perfectly reasonable definiton (or partial definition) of what constitutes racism and, also, what does not constitute racism.
I have been accused of racism (by Guri) in a way that I take strong exception to. From what I can gather from the official policy of this website, nothing I said constitutes racism and furthermore no one, particularly Guri, had a right to try to censor me. On at least three occasions in this thread, he invoked the management of this website as being on the side of his crusade against racism.
Apparently he did not completely understand their policy.
Regardless of what I feel, I am willing to comply with regs of the forum and I hope the rest of us can manage, too.
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| Trevor wrote: |
I'd really like this thread to stay open. Could you take a little breather, Q? Thanks.
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| You have zero data, just the same tired 'dismissive' act that posters use when they run out of tricks. |
I provided you with factual dates, which you then ignored. Whatever. You could have learned something (the real purpose to any debate), but instead you were willfully ignorant from the start. Not quite sure why, but anyway, sorry if you just lack the intellectual fortitude to keep up (can't be helped I guess). |
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Aren't you the guy who was railing against 'censorship' a page back? And I haven't even used any bad words. Don't see how this thread could be closed on my account |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Trevor wrote: |
Yes, I was concerned about censorship. I was also delighted to see the moderator's perfectly reasonable definiton (or partial definition) of what constitutes racism and, also, what does not constitute racism.
I have been accused of racism (by Guri) in a way that I take strong exception to. From what I can gather from the official policy of this website, nothing I said constitutes racism and furthermore no one, particularly Guri, had a right to try to censor me. On at least three occasions in this thread, he invoked the management of this website as being on the side of his crusade against racism.
Apparently he did not completely understand their policy.
Regardless of what I feel, I am willing to comply with regs of the forum and I hope the rest of us can manage, too. |
Well, you did seem to suggest that the Japanese were prone to thievery, which if not racist, is at least slanderous. Understand that Japan spent 95% of its history in nearly total isolation, and had only a brief burst of militarism before and around WWII, which was totally out of the hands of the common people, and reflects very little if at all on Japanese culture as it actually is (ie. a culture that generally admires harmony and peace). |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Heck, just for grins I'll add my own country to the list of coutries that have been known to take things that weren't theirs. The U.S. just flagrantly grabbed the entire continent. No question about it.
Interestingly, it is unlikely that anyone will make much of a fuss over me criticizing the U.S instead of Japan.
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| Trevor wrote: |
Yes, I was concerned about censorship. I was also delighted to see the moderator's perfectly reasonable definiton (or partial definition) of what constitutes racism and, also, what does not constitute racism.
I have been accused of racism (by Guri) in a way that I take strong exception to. From what I can gather from the official policy of this website, nothing I said constitutes racism and furthermore no one, particularly Guri, had a right to try to censor me. On at least three occasions in this thread, he invoked the management of this website as being on the side of his crusade against racism.
Apparently he did not completely understand their policy.
Regardless of what I feel, I am willing to comply with regs of the forum and I hope the rest of us can manage, too. |
Well, you did seem to suggest that the Japanese were prone to thievery, which if not racist, is at least slanderous. Understand that Japan spent 95% of its history in nearly total isolation, and had only a brief burst of militarism before and around WWII, which was totally out of the hands of the common people, and reflects very little if at all on Japanese culture as it actually is (ie. a culture that generally admires harmony and peace). |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| The Japanese would have to behave perfectly for the next 200 years to wipe the stench of WWII off of them. |
This is patently ridiculous.
First of all, what do you mean by "behave perfectly"? Nations, like people, do not "behave perfectly." Some behave better that others.
Secondly, and more importantly, why 200 years? More than 60 years as a peaceful democracy isn't good enough for you? Why just 200? |
How about 400 years ago?
"Later when we were in Nagasaki, we were told that he was a high official, the third in rank on the island. He was a friendly man. He smiled at us. He pointed to us and then said that we were Hollanders. We nodded fiercely. Then he told us we would be taken to Nagasaki in four or five days. That five Hollander ships were anchored there.
We in our turn, tried to make him clear that we came from Korea. That we were shipwrecked thirteen years ago and since then stayed in Korea. And that we tried now to go to Nagasaki to join our countrymen.
We were very relieved that the reception was so friendly. The Koreans had fooled us with telling us that every foreigner who sets foot on Japanese soil, immediately was beaten to death. From this one can see how many nonsense several nations told about each other.
http://www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/holland8.htm
Even in the 1600's, japan was famous for being friendly and hospitable to Foreigners and the Koreans famous for being unfriendly to foreigners..and telling hateful lies about the japanese.
And that was centuries before the occupation of korea! |
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Guri Guy
Joined: 07 Sep 2003
Location: Bamboo Island
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I was concerned about censorship. I was also delighted to see the moderator's perfectly reasonable definiton (or partial definition) of what constitutes racism and, also, what does not constitute racism.
I have been accused of racism (by Guri) in a way that I take strong exception to. From what I can gather from the official policy of this website, nothing I said constitutes racism and furthermore no one, particularly Guri, had a right to try to censor me. On at least three occasions in this thread, he invoked the management of this website as being on the side of his crusade against racism.
Apparently he did not completely understand their policy.
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Regardless of what I feel, I am willing to comply with regs of the forum and I hope the rest of us can manage, too. |
I am sorry you are so overly sensitive Trevor. After comments like the Japanese being prone to thievery (certainly a racial or ethnic slur) then not backing it up, calling me a nazi and a troll, I took offence. I also took offence to people using the racial slur "Jap"on this thread, another racial/ethnic slur.
I understand their policy clearly. You can't just say anything you want on these forums. You like to sling mud as well as anyone so don't get pompous and self-righteous.
Now, you started this thread showing off your wonderful link to a pro-Korean website on the Dokdo/Takeshima debate. You made a ridiculous assertion about the Japanese then you didn't back it up.
Furthermore, you have obviously have taken a side in the debate then "cried uncle" when things didn't go your way. You posted things that were either factually wrong or irrelevant.
So in conclusion, if you want a proper debate on the Dokdo/Takeshima issue, I am ready to do that. That means everyone checking their emotions at the door and acting mature. I am willing to do that. Stick to the evidence and facts. Simple. |
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Huh Kyung-young
Mod Team
Joined: 06 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: |
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All right, enough is enough.
Apparently the current participants in this thread are unable or unwilling to engage in a mature debate on the topic in question. Instead, the same tired old accusations continue to be thrown around.
Flinging accusations of racism is little different than flinging the terms Naziism or fascism. In any case, when such accusations continue after the racial slurs were purged from the thread, you signaled your unwillingness to carry on this thread in a mature, civil manner.
Hence, this thread is locked until further notice. |
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