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mindmetoo
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RufusW
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| I haven't even read the articles - but this is a cover-up right? Fake suicide, I believe, all to get American's nice and scared. Why would an anthrax scientist be stupid enough to post anthrax off to people!? (Unless he was in on the plot). |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| RufusW wrote: |
| I haven't even read the articles - but this is a cover-up right? Fake suicide, I believe, all to get American's nice and scared. Why would an anthrax scientist be stupid enough to post anthrax off to people!? (Unless he was in on the plot). |
I would not read it that way. People do stupid evil things on their own. Just yesterday some guy cut a guy's head off on a bus. |
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Cheonmunka
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Doesn't it come back to that old adage, 'Live by the sword die by the sword?'
I mean, here you are making a powder that kills people when they touch it. It's madness to conceive such a hideous thing.
We are culpable somewhere along the line. In this case we might assume that the madness becomes malignant and (self) destructive. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| but this is a cover-up right? Fake suicide, I believe, all to get American's nice and scared. Why would an anthrax scientist be stupid enough to post anthrax off to people!? (Unless he was in on the plot). |
This is a good example of paranoia run wild.
An innocent guy hounded to suicide...a guilty man who killed himself because of his guilty conscience...a guilty man who offed himself to escape the humilition of being caught...or maybe his girlfriend dumped him and he was depressed.
So far there is no evidence to support any of those theories. With him dead, it will be even more difficult to find out. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| but this is a cover-up right? Fake suicide, I believe, all to get American's nice and scared. Why would an anthrax scientist be stupid enough to post anthrax off to people!? (Unless he was in on the plot). |
This is a good example of paranoia run wild.
An innocent guy hounded to suicide...a guilty man who killed himself because of his guilty conscience...a guilty man who offed himself to escape the humilition of being caught...or maybe his girlfriend dumped him and he was depressed.
So far there is no evidence to support any of those theories. With him dead, it will be even more difficult to find out. |
We have the following possibilities:
1) he's guilty and he killed himself because he knew he would be found out
2) he's innocent and he knew he'd never get work again in the field he loved, even if found innocent
3) he's innocent and the government is using him as a patsy to create fear and let them exert more control
We have many examples of 1 & 2. I'm not sure I know of any cases where the USA has prosecuted one of its innocent citizens to advance a power grab. |
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huffdaddy
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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1) he's guilty and he killed himself because he knew he would be found out
2) he's innocent and he knew he'd never get work again in the field he loved, even if found innocent |
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The sudden naming of scientist Bruce E. Ivins as the top � and perhaps only � suspect in the anthrax attacks marks the latest bizarre twist in a case that has confounded the FBI for nearly seven years. Last month, the Justice Department cleared Ivins' colleague, Steven Hatfill, who had been wrongly suspected in the case, and paid him $5.8 million.
Ivins worked at the Army's biological warfare defense labs at Fort Detrick, Md., for 35 years until his death on Tuesday. He was one of the government's leading scientists researching vaccines and cures for anthrax exposure. But he also had a long history of homicidal threats, according to papers filed last week in local court by a social worker. |
Given that he was 62 and his colleague received a $5.8 million pay off, I'd be unlikely to believe #2. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but I'd put my money on #1.
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| 3) he's innocent and the government is using him as a patsy to create fear and let them exert more control |
Oddly enough, they couldn't manage to frame a Muslim or Chinese. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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I agree with huffdaddy's observation that if they were trying to frame someone in order to make a power grab, they'd be framing someone with a name like Hussein, not Bruce. And they wouldn't have waited 7 years to do it. Just before the Nov. '06 elections would have been more likely.
Besides, without some kind of evidence, I see no reason why this possibility is even being discussed. Chronic anti-gov't clap trap. |
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RufusW
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Well the anthrax already served its purpose, now they just need to cover their tracks. 7 years, nice long time for people to forget....
I remember at least some of the envelopes and letters were written to look like they came from a middle-eastern writer. |
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mindmetoo
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1) he's guilty and he killed himself because he knew he would be found out
2) he's innocent and he knew he'd never get work again in the field he loved, even if found innocent |
From Yahoo:
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The sudden naming of scientist Bruce E. Ivins as the top � and perhaps only � suspect in the anthrax attacks marks the latest bizarre twist in a case that has confounded the FBI for nearly seven years. Last month, the Justice Department cleared Ivins' colleague, Steven Hatfill, who had been wrongly suspected in the case, and paid him $5.8 million.
Ivins worked at the Army's biological warfare defense labs at Fort Detrick, Md., for 35 years until his death on Tuesday. He was one of the government's leading scientists researching vaccines and cures for anthrax exposure. But he also had a long history of homicidal threats, according to papers filed last week in local court by a social worker. |
Given that he was 62 and his colleague received a $5.8 million pay off, I'd be unlikely to believe #2. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but I'd put my money on #1.
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| 3) he's innocent and the government is using him as a patsy to create fear and let them exert more control |
Oddly enough, they couldn't manage to frame a Muslim or Chinese. |
I simply can't believe a scientist behind unfairly hounded by the government, who possibly loves being a scientist, and knowing this will ruin his career, would take solace that a big pay day waiting for him, if only he spends years in court and out of a lab defending himself.
Many scientists, science is their life, money is less of their concern. I think of my own father who could triple his pay working in private industry but much prefers being an academic scientist. |
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bacasper
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