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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Is there no monogamy in East Asian countries? |
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| browneyedgirl wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
My question, exactly: do Koreans lie more than Westerners quantantatively? How exactly do they lie, and how can you catch them in a lie (I know they tell "around the truth" but not the truth exactly)? Are most Korean relationships secretly polyamorous, and are most Korean/East Asians completely okay with that? Or are Koreans (women) who date foreigners pulled more towards open relationships and secrecy? |
I think people (of all races) just cheat a lot. It�s easy to single people out, but I can�t really think of an ethnicity that is known for being faithful. I had a friend who claimed she never met a Black man who didn�t cheat. Isn�t that stupid? Yet, in our neighborhood it was kind of true and I couldn't disprove her comment with an example. |
I'm not trying to make a racial claim, I'm trying to make a cultural one. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Is there no monogamy in East Asian countries? |
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| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
I'm not trying to make a racial claim, I'm trying to make a cultural one. |
There are a lot of people on Dave's who don't understand the difference between race and culture. They think "Everyone in Korea is Korean, thus if you criticize Korean culture, you're being racist." I'm pretty tame with my Korea bashing and I've had multiple times where I've been accused of racism when I was quite clearly making a comment about Korean culture. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Is there no monogamy in East Asian countries? |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
I'm not trying to make a racial claim, I'm trying to make a cultural one. |
There are a lot of people on Dave's who don't understand the difference between race and culture. They think "Everyone in Korea is Korean, thus if you criticize Korean culture, you're being racist." I'm pretty tame with my Korea bashing and I've had multiple times where I've been accused of racism when I was quite clearly making a comment about Korean culture. |
You can't criticize non Western cultures if you're white (or assumed to be white). Otherwise you're a racist. It makes perfect sense. |
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nicholas_chiasson

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Location: Samcheok
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Let's eat the koreans like irish babies! |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Is there no monogamy in East Asian countries? |
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| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
| My question, exactly: do Koreans lie more than Westerners quantantatively? How exactly do they lie, and how can you catch them in a lie (I know they tell "around the truth" but not the truth exactly)? Are most Korean relationships secretly polyamorous, and are most Korean/East Asians completely okay with that? Or are Koreans (women) who date foreigners pulled more towards open relationships and secrecy?.... |
A Country of Liars
by Kim Dae-joong, Chosun Ilbo (July 3, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html
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National Intelligence Service director-designate Kim Seung-kyu, in a lecture he gave late in May when he was justice minister, said: "The three representative crimes of our country are perjury, libel and fraud." In simple comparison, not taking into account population ratio, South Korea saw 16 times as many perjury cases in 2003 than Japan, 39 times as many libel cases and 26 times as many instances of fraud. That is extraordinarily high given Japan's population is three times our own.
The common denominator of the three crimes is lying; in short, we live in a country of liars. The prosecution devotes 70 percent of its work to handling the three crimes, the former justice minister said. And because suspects lie so much, the indictment rate in fraud cases is 19.5 percent, in perjury 29 percent and in libel 43.1 percent. "Internationally, too, there is a perception that South Korea's representative crime is fraud," Kim said, adding that recent major scandals show how rampant lying is in this country. |
Deception Sums Up Year of 2007
By Kim Tae-jong, Korea Times (December 23, 2007)
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2007/12/117_16011.html |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| But on the other hand, every girl I've been with here was super tight. Which of course means she hasn't been with many guys. So I'm not sure if there is much cheating going on. |
The Korean section of internationalsexguide.com is full of reviews of prostitutes having problems with the customers' sizes. Your girlfriends may very well have been non-promiscuous, but tightness may not be the best barometer. |
Wow, this post is creepy on so many levels. |
Relax, it's just pussy. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| RJjr wrote: |
| Scotticus wrote: |
| RJjr wrote: |
| rebel_1812 wrote: |
| But on the other hand, every girl I've been with here was super tight. Which of course means she hasn't been with many guys. So I'm not sure if there is much cheating going on. |
The Korean section of internationalsexguide.com is full of reviews of prostitutes having problems with the customers' sizes. Your girlfriends may very well have been non-promiscuous, but tightness may not be the best barometer. |
Wow, this post is creepy on so many levels. |
Relax, it's just pussy. |
That's what she said? |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| For some damn reason, despite the many times I've opened and read this thread, whenever I'm looking at the main menu page my brain insists on seeing "Is there no mahogany in East Asian countries?" |
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Whistleblower

Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't read the whole thread but I thought I would contribute what I have learnt (by meeting people, speaking to Koreans and visiting Korean weddings).
I find that some traditional Koreans (who follow the traditional route of marriage) really marry to get the money, get a big house, live a life of luxury and probably spend as little time together.
My wife made the biggest statement about Korean weddings. She mentioned that Korean weddings is more of a business arrangement between the bride and grooms parents. They want to get some financial gain from the package and I have personally known friends that have had their potential marriage ripped apart because the parents of the bride and groom could not get along.
Then comes life after the wedding. They are whipped away to a honeymoon straight after the wedding and driven at 200mph to Incheon Airport with flowers all over their car. If you have driven to Incheon International Airport, you will see a huge number of cars with flowers all over it. Anyways, the couple will spend 3 days (at most) in Thailand and try for a honeymoon baby. This will secure the relationship for another 18 years and will force the husband and wife to work together.
Now, I met some good friends when I first arrived in this country with my wife. She introduced me to a high school friend that she went to school with and before she was married she was kind, calm and professional. She was a secretary for a big Korean conglomerate. Anyways, she found Mr. Right, or should I say Mr. Rich, who was also calm and kind but also a certified accountant. We were introduced to him and we got on really well. So after a short while of dating they married and had a honeymoon baby. The wife packed in work and the husband was the breadwinner. He owned his own accounting firm and earns good money but money isn't everything. You got to have a good work/life balance and the husband (who is hardworking) has to work, entertain clients and take his employees out, ends up coming home at like 2am in the morning most nights. The wife is getting angry, the baby is only spending time with the mother and the husband is growing distant from his wife. He ended up going out with me to a bar and (as he doesn't speak English) he was complaining about his wife. When his wife phoned up, he would give me the phone and he just wanted to relax and forget about marriage life. So now, they are talking about going their own way (divorce) and hardly spend time together. The wife has not spent a day away from her daughter and is really over protective with her. The wife won't let her husband look after her baby and she doesn't want to go out by herself and leave her baby with her husband. This is really unhealthy, mentally, as there is no "me" time, no time to yourself and the wife has no hobbies or interests.
So the example above, really illustrates the kind of mentality that Koreans have when it comes to marriage. They see it as a business and want some financial gain from it but they don't think long term. In the end the wife cannot relate to her husband and the husband grows to hate his wife. But the wedding was already organised by the parents. I notice that Koreans don't really marry because they have met Mr or Mrs Right, they just marry because the potential husband/wife is Mr or Mrs Rich.
Sorry for the long post, but society in Korea is developing and people are starting to realise that they no longer want to live with someone they don't love. Remember happiness is more important than money. |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| For some damn reason, despite the many times I've opened and read this thread, whenever I'm looking at the main menu page my brain insists on seeing "Is there no mahogany in East Asian countries?" |
Doesn't that stuff grow on Dokdo? |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
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| For some damn reason, despite the many times I've opened and read this thread, whenever I'm looking at the main menu page my brain insists on seeing "Is there no mahogany in East Asian countries?" |
Doesn't that stuff grow on Dokdo? |
Dokdo is very famous in Korea. |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
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| For some damn reason, despite the many times I've opened and read this thread, whenever I'm looking at the main menu page my brain insists on seeing "Is there no mahogany in East Asian countries?" |
Doesn't that stuff grow on Dokdo? |
Dokdo is very famous in Korea. |
Does Dokdo have 4 seasons? |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
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| endo wrote: |
| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| For some damn reason, despite the many times I've opened and read this thread, whenever I'm looking at the main menu page my brain insists on seeing "Is there no mahogany in East Asian countries?" |
Doesn't that stuff grow on Dokdo? |
Dokdo is very famous in Korea. |
Does Dokdo have 4 seasons? |
Foreigners cannot eat Dokdo. Dokdo is too spicy. |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| For some damn reason, despite the many times I've opened and read this thread, whenever I'm looking at the main menu page my brain insists on seeing "Is there no mahogany in East Asian countries?" |
Doesn't that stuff grow on Dokdo? |
Dokdo is very famous in Korea. |
Does Dokdo have 4 seasons? |
Foreigners cannot eat Dokdo. Dokdo is too spicy. |
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