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sjrm
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| Maybe they should solve the problem by asking Pau Gasol. |
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Morton
Joined: 06 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Do you see anyone else wear broken false teeth, half bald wigs to mimick the English?
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Austin Powers. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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I had a roomate here in Seoul who was working for the Spanish government. He was well educated and upper class. He was showing me his photos from back home and he had one with people slanting their eyes as mentioned in the OP. I had no idea what they were doing until he explained it to me.
This type of thing would never fly amongst educated Americans. Just adds to the fallacy of Europe as morally superior. |
(singing)
Chinese!
Japanese!
Dirty knees,
Look at these! |
Little kids do not qualify as well-educated Americans. |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:10 am Post subject: Re: Spain's racist basketball team |
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The above link you posted (like the Spanish basketball team) are both stupid and based on ignorance.
And perhaps both offered a glimps into a mindset of racial superioroty.
However, I wouldn't call either racist. Just dumb and foolish. (and a little bit funny.....I mean my foreign friends an I often make racial jokes towards one another)
It's all about context. |
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| Spain's Basketball Federation has published a good luck advert for their men's team (going to the Beijing Olympics in CHINA), the world champions, in which they stand pulling at the sides of their eyes in a slit-eyed gesture. |
They've NEVER done this before, but before they go to China they do this.
How much more context do you need???
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
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Who says Europeans are morally superior? As is often quoted on this board 'there is racism everywhere'.
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I had a roomate here in Seoul who was working for the Spanish government. He was well educated and upper class. He was showing me his photos from back home and he had one with people slanting their eyes as mentioned in the OP. I had no idea what they were doing until he explained it to me.
This type of thing would never fly amongst educated Americans. Just adds to the fallacy of Europe as morally superior. |
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Pretty much every European I have ever met and every editorial,book, article, and opinion piece I have ever read that was penned by a European claims European moral superiority over the USA. |
Oh bollox, there is plenty of fawning adulation, myself included. |
Please elaborate on this idea of fawning adulation. |
I like America, Americans, their culture and its food. Is that fawning enough for you? |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
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Who says Europeans are morally superior? As is often quoted on this board 'there is racism everywhere'.
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I had a roomate here in Seoul who was working for the Spanish government. He was well educated and upper class. He was showing me his photos from back home and he had one with people slanting their eyes as mentioned in the OP. I had no idea what they were doing until he explained it to me.
This type of thing would never fly amongst educated Americans. Just adds to the fallacy of Europe as morally superior. |
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Pretty much every European I have ever met and every editorial,book, article, and opinion piece I have ever read that was penned by a European claims European moral superiority over the USA. |
Oh bollox, there is plenty of fawning adulation, myself included. |
Please elaborate on this idea of fawning adulation. |
I like America, Americans, their culture and its food. Is that fawning enough for you? |
No, give us more. Tell us our movies rock too. Tell us you appreciate Micheal Bay.  |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Spain's racist basketball team |
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| http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/aug/10/olympics2008.olympicsbasketball |
So how exactly is that picture racist?
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Purposely slanting the eyes is demeaning to Asians. The only think they forgot to do was stick out their front teeth. |
But don't most Asians have slanty eyes?
What if an Asian made their eyes look like big round circles. Would that be racist?
Calling someone a ni%%a, chin%, g00k, spic, ect.....that's racist.
Slanting your eyes is stupid. But not racist unless the attempt was meant to be disparaging. |
But don't most black people have black skin? So therefore its OK for people to make fun of them by wearing 'blackface'?
Of course slanting your eyes is meant to be disparaging. How naive are you? I think this post is one of the dumbest I've seen on Dave's ESL yet and that's saying a lot. |
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thorin
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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Trying to provoke laughter at another group's physical appearance isn't racist? Please.
Personally, I find the long narrow eyes rather sexy. Bedroom eyes. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Slanting a caucasian eyeball is not disparaging; imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Slanted eyes are cool! Sexy! Intriguing! Who wouldn't want slanted eyes?!
Western-eyelid surgery is very popular in Asian countries, and I bet you that slant-eye surgery will catch on soon in the west! I'm thinking of getting it myself! (Damn my big blue round eyes! Damn them straight to heck!)
Slanted eyes are so cool, they make me want to pee my pants! Seriously!
I think that Asians should be proud that the Spanish are acknowledging slanted eyes! Those Spanish roundeyes can only WISH they had cool slanted Asian eyes! |
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Beej
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Location: Eungam Loop
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And now the spanish defend themselves.
Spanish player defends controversial photo
AP - Aug 13, 6:38 am EDT
Olympics Gallery BEIJING (AP)�Players on Spain�s Olympic basketball team defended a photo in an ad showing the players using their fingers to apparently make their eyes look more Chinese.
The photo, which has been running as a newspaper spread in Spain since Friday, shows all 15 players making the gesture on a basketball court adorned with a Chinese dragon. The photo was part of a publicity campaign for team sponsor Seur and is being used only in Spain.
�It was something like supposed to be funny or something but never offensive in any way,� Spain�s Pau Gasol, center for the Los Angeles Lakers, said. �I�m sorry if anybody thought or took it the wrong way and thought that it was offensive.�
Point guard Jose Manuel Calderon said the team was responding to a request from the photographer.
�We felt it was something appropriate, and that it would be interpreted as an affectionate gesture,� Calderon, who plays for NBA�s Toronto Raptors, wrote on his ElMundo.es blog. �Without a doubt, some � press didn�t see it that way.�
International media criticized the photo. London�s Daily Telegraph said Spain�s �poor reputation for insensitivity toward racial issues has been further harmed� by the photo.
�We�re surprised by the remarks of racism,� said Juan Antonio Villanueva, the communications director for Madrid�s 2016 Olympic bid. �Spain is not a racist country�quite the opposite.�
Four members of Argentina�s women�s Olympic soccer team were shown making similar faces in a photograph published last week.
Gasol said it was �absurd� people were calling the gesture racist.
�We never intended anything like that,� he said.
The Spanish basketball federation and Seur declined to comment Wednesday.
�The players explained what happened,� Villanueva said. �We think that�s enough.�
It�s not the first time Spanish sports has encountered questions over racist attitudes, and the photo comes at a time when Madrid is vying to host the Olympics.
Formula One driver Lewis Hamilton was subjected to abuse at a Barcelona circuit in February, while former Spain coach Luis Aragones also used a racist remark about France striker Thierry Henry to motivate one of his players. Monkey chants rained down on England�s black players during an international friendly against Spain in a match played in Madrid in 2004, soon after Aragones� outburst.
The federation had just signed a four-year contract extension with Chinese clothing brand Li-Ning shortly after arriving in the Chinese capital for the games.
�We have great respect for the far East and its people, some of my best friends in Toronto are originally Chinese, including one of our sponsors, the brand Li-Ning,� Calderon wrote. �Whoever wants to interpret it differently is completely confusing it.�
World champion Spain is 2-0 at the Olympics after rallying to beat China 85-75 Tuesday while consistently getting booed.
Gotta love the tired old line all racists use: "Im not racist, some of my best friends are Black,Chinese, etc.. etc.." Hilarious. |
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KOREAN_MAN
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| No, of course it's not racist. It's not racist at all. In fact, the next time you see your Korean friend or co-worker, slant your eyes for him. I'm sure he will just love it. I mean, you wouldn't have a reason not to do it, right? |
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ardis
Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul
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Ugh, it was annoying. I grew up with little kids coming up to me, pulling their eyes going "CHING CHANG CHING CHONG I CHINA MAN" so...geez. If they had released a decent apology and SEEMED sorry, I wouldn't have been so irked. However, their shrugging attitude of, "Well, sorry if it offended YOU but we AREN'T racist and it's not a big deal to US" is tiring. It's definitely not winning them a lot of fans.
I've talked with some fellow Americans who haven't seen it as a problem. But you KNOW if the Korean basketball team went to the Olympics in Africa and smeared their faces with black paint, everyone would be hardcore upset. |
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beast
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| In Latin America they call Chinese people chinos and they call blacks negros. There is nothing racist about it when they say it. It's the way they talk. |
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milspecs
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: |
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It's no secret that Spain is a racist country.
These are the same people who throw bananas at black soccer players and chant nigger everytime a black player touches the ball. Even against there own teams players. |
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