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I am still asking myself WHY......
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Janny



Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Location: all over the place

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My major intention was to blow off steam. I know, above all else, that bitching doesn't change or help anything. But it really feels good to know that a big group of people out there (the foreigner community) go through exactly the same thing. This is why I joined Dave's.

In the years I've been here, I reflect alot about my change in perspective. In the beginning, I was so vocal and outraged about the shit I see or experienced every day. I thought, "how the hell can things be this way?"

Now, I understand that it has NOTHING to do with me, and I have no place to change it or even voice my opinion. They are not interested.

I see and meet new teachers, and I listen to their confusion. They want answers. They can't begin to understand how I've been here so long.

Sometimes I can't believe it myself. But that's the way life goes. I just ...never wanted to be bored. And here...Im definitely never bored. Pissed off? Sometimes. But not bored.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, it never ceases to amaze me to read posts on here that I could have quite easily written myself - so many of us have exactly the same experience yet it might very well happen to us when we are alone therefore we don't necessarily see it as anything than just happenstance.

then we come on here and read how it happened to someone else, and then the responses of others who it also happened to and wow - it's like, jees - it's really NOT me -

it was a real turning point for me a couple of years ago when I realized just how truly messed up this place is - one has to have a special perseverance to deal with it - to press on, to keep trying - the rewards are few sometimes but it's good not to let it get you down -

everyone should live life on their own terms, don't let others dictate, ever.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: I am still asking myself WHY...... Reply with quote

crescent wrote:

Interesting how you can take something completely ambiguous and turn it into a perceived slight.


There is paranoia, yes, and there is also an unistakeable sharp feeling of being despised or ridiculed. Its not that hard to distinguish between the two.

Knowing that the bigots who inflict this sort of xenophobia are terrbly small minded does not always help the feeling of injury, although its a fact that these sorts of people are not happy being the racists they are. I don't believe the majority of Koreans are this way, but its a significantly high minority to cause a foreigner in this country daily unpleasantness.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but can someone explain to me what exactly happened. I read what the OP wrote, but I didn't quite catch what was up?
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
Sorry, but can someone explain to me what exactly happened. I read what the OP wrote, but I didn't quite catch what was up?


OP thought she had formed normal friendly relations in her daily environment, only to find her neighborhood actually view her as not human. It can be dissapointing.

nevertheless i agree her acoount was of a very small example.

Hmm...I tend to get worse on a daily basis. lets see: today I was stood taking photos at the seaside with my large camera and lens. A car containing a raucous Korean family drive past. i just catch the child asking "mummy, look! Whats he doing? It looks strange!" and her answering "Yes. wierd. Thats a foreign person".

or later I sense the jackass in the subway has just stared through me as if I was a pane of glass. When he's about 30 yards off he obviously makes some silly comment about the "wehgukin" to impress his girlfriend, who gigles inanely.

These sort of minor stupidities become obvious to anyone who's become aware of enough of the korean language. They are a daily occurence.
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Sody



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Janny wrote:
My major intention was to blow off steam. I know, above all else, that bitching doesn't change or help anything. But it really feels good to know that a big group of people out there (the foreigner community) go through exactly the same thing. This is why I joined Dave's.

In the years I've been here, I reflect alot about my change in perspective. In the beginning, I was so vocal and outraged about the shit I see or experienced every day. I thought, "how the hell can things be this way?"

Now, I understand that it has NOTHING to do with me, and I have no place to change it or even voice my opinion. They are not interested.

I see and meet new teachers, and I listen to their confusion. They want answers. They can't begin to understand how I've been here so long.

Sometimes I can't believe it myself. But that's the way life goes. I just ...never wanted to be bored. And here...Im definitely never bored. Pissed off? Sometimes. But not bored.


First of all, don't apologize for venting. I have read far worse on this forum.

You also don't have to justify living abroad or even in Korea for as long as you have.

I totally relate with what you are saying in your last post.

I know there is a lot of racism and nastiness we experience when living abroad and there are times when I feel horrible and trapped with the language barrier in Korea, but I like it somehow. Back in my home country I can make more money (but not save as much) and have an overall more convenient life, but it's boring as hell. When I'm in Korea I feel like I'm on a mission. The mission is to survive and to save up as much money as I can for a number of years.
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Justin Hale



Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: I am still asking myself WHY...... Reply with quote

Janny wrote:
I have been teaching in Korea for almost six years now.


Six years. Wow. Nobody commented on it, didn't even see it probably. That's because 6 years is nothing to these guys.

Six years of Korea is too much. Try to make this your last contract and move on. You must've saved a funkload of cash over 6 years. I banked 50 grand in just three.

Why do people "vent" all the time? Korea is offering you something that the society of your birth and upbringing cannot and does not - otherwise you wouldn't be there. Does there not come a point where you need to vent so much, and you've been in Korea so long, that common sense dictates that it's game over?

What is stopping you from going home?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Six years of Korea is too much.


Why?
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Bryan



Joined: 29 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Re: I am still asking myself WHY...... Reply with quote

Janny wrote:
WHO the *beep* knows what that sound was?
Who knows why the nice ladies had to stop talking?

If getting grunted at is a tragedy in Korea, I can't wait to leave Canada for Seoul. Far worse things than getting grunted at happen daily where I live.

Actually, you must live in an absolute type of Utopia or paradise if getting grunted at ruins your day. If that's the worst thing out there, I'd love to be in your shoes.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:
Six years of Korea is too much.


Why?


Unless you live for the work, it most definitely is. And I most definitely was not one of those few who lived to teach ESL.
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Janny,

I thought your post was honest, not mean-spirited, and true.

Thanks for sharing. We've all been there, but things turn around and then we feel better again, just like you implied.

Just curious, when you said you feel like a foreigner when you go back to Canada, what did you mean by that. I'd like to hear examples. Cheers!
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bobranger



Joined: 10 Jun 2008
Location: masan

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheer up Janny.
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Justin Hale



Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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Six years of Korea is too much.


Why?


Too boring and the people and the culture too repetitious.
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nautilus



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you begin to open up to Koreans in a normal and natural way, they then do something to remind you that you are an alien... and you have to slam the door shut yet again.

A lot of it is the language barrier. Koreans constantly escape censure for all their xenophobia simply because we can't correct them articulately and on the spot in their language.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, this is Korea. We are not Koreans. Foreigners are still an oddity.
You can barely find foreign restaurants in many parts of Korea. I wasn't there when Janny dealt with those folks. Koreans generally don't bother me. Now, if someone points, I just think they are being low class, but kids don't really know any better in many cases. I kind of give the father a look if a kid points and the father usually tells the kid not to do that. I don't give the father a bad look, just a look that says it's not nice, and the parent usually realizes it.
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