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A2Steve
Joined: 10 Nov 2007
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| Little chocolate donuts. |
God bless John Belushi. He may have used a few more stimulants in his hayday, though.  |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| travel zen wrote: |
It's all in the training, coaches and facilities to do it. |
The remarkable thing is that its not just a single area that has these facilities. It doesn't matter if you are in Michigan, Florida, California, or New York. You will find everything an athlete needs to be at their best. Everything from equipment, to Sports Medicine, to staff, etc.... |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: |
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America is far from dominating the Olympics.
As of Day 9, China has 29 to America's 18 golds. Yes, America has 23 to 10 of China's bronze medals and thus a higher total medal count, but honestly, which is the better acheivement? |
China is now up to 35 and the US on 19. It does look like too much of a lead to overcome, for sure. But China has the home advantage, and remember even if the US stopped at 19 golds this time around that would make it a *bad* Olympics for the US but an excellent performance for just about any other country.
In Britain we're over the moon 'just' to have got 11 golds (so far ^^).
Maybe from now on China will rival America for domination but we all know how they achieve it, and it's not exactly in accordance with the Olympic spirit.
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| We should be asking how it is that Australia is kicking such ass. They have maybe one tenth of America's population and with 8 golds and half the total medal count, they are punching way above their statistical limits. |
Australia are phenomenal and I think illustrate that it's about valuing sport as well as spending money on it: Australia does both. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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A little tidbit of information for those from other countries:
When our high school girls basketball team and enough of the boys wrestling team made it to the state tournament, the school closed down so everyone could go. This is not unusual in medium-to-small schools. State champion teams often get parades down main street when they come home. The fact that main street is two blocks long is beside the point. |
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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America is far from dominating the Olympics.
As of Day 9, China has 29 to America's 18 golds. Yes, America has 23 to 10 of China's bronze medals and thus a higher total medal count, but honestly, which is the better acheivement?
We should be asking how it is that Australia is kicking such ass. They have maybe one tenth of America's population and with 8 golds and half the total medal count, they are punching way above their statistical limits. |
Good point. Or why India is sucking so much.... |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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China has home turf. There is quite an amount of significance to that.
Just ask the Korean soccer team circa 2002. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| ...we all know how they achieve it, and it's not exactly in accordance with the Olympic spirit. |
Roids? |
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Darashii
Joined: 08 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Entering 12 year olds?
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Speaking of American collegiate sports, here is something I just found at the NCAA's webpage on Michael Phelps's diet...
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Have you heard what Michael Phelps eats in a day?
Here's what the BBC reports:
Breakfast: Three fried egg sandwiches; cheese; tomatoes; lettuce; fried onions; mayonnaise; three chocolate-chip pancakes; five-egg omelette; three sugar-coated slices of French toast; bowl of grits; two cups of coffee
Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta; two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayonnaise on white bread; energy drinks
Dinner: Half-pound of pasta, with carbonara sauce; large pizza; energy drinks
No question Phelps needs the energy and, obviously, he burns it off in training (each time he jumps in the pool he sheds 1000 calories); but, call me crazy, there's just something gluttonous about three fried egg sandwiches and an entire large pizza.
Phelps isn't the only Olympic swimmer to admit his Beijing bingefest. Swimmer Ryan Lochte recently told the New York Times, "Nutrition's probably the last thing I worry about. It's probably my downfall. I've been eating McDonald's almost every meal here."
Nutritionists don't recommend eating like Lochte and Phelps, although they do say it's important to get plenty of carbs when you're training hard. Carbs help your muscles recover, so the smart choice would be to eat egg whites and whole-grain pastas, rather than the processed food favored by the most decorated Olympian of all-time.
Terrible diets high in fat can lead to plenty of problems later in life, so student-athletes beware. It's also a good idea to eat plenty of small meals to replenish your body, so don't gorge yourself shoving it in at one time. |
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BEAUTIFUL! :lol
But actually, he's eating a high carb high PROTEIN diet, and it's protein, not carbs, that heals and builds muscles. Elementary, dear BBC, elementary!
And notice how he tappers off his eating as he approaches sleepy time?
But he probably doesn't eat all of that in one sitting - likely does eat a series of "small" meals throughout the day. He's a "big" guy, but would probably bust (or vomit!) if he tried to eat it all at once and then jump in the pool. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Many foreign athletes come to US Colleges to train.
Milorad Cavic attended Tustin High School in California and the University of California, Berkeley. (wiki)
American training is not only responsible for US medals, American training is responsible for medals from around the globe.
MORE INFO HERE |
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Bagpipes11
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| There are only 3 ways for any country to control its populous. War, Religion and Sport. The 3 backbones of American Culture. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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I think these guys are onto something. Average gym membership in the UK is about $80 - i am reliably told by my Americans friends in Korea that Golds is around $22.
Look at the price of supplements in the US: 1 months supply of protein in the UK is the equivalent to 4 months' in the US.
They have masseurs (sp?), trainers, physios, sports scientists (for development and research) equipment and facilities everywhere. Farming and subsidies are permeating in the US meaning that if you need to follow a 6-8 meal-a-day plan of anything (high protein, high carbs whatever) its invariably much cheaper in the US.
Also, in America they have gyms dedicated to footballers, athletes, and then commercial gyms etc... In the UK they simply don't. The main franchise in the UK crams its gyms with cardio bikes and treadmills when only 30% at most is ever used at one time and then they have like one flat bench or one squat appliance  The free weights section is at the bottom of their priorities!
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| travel zen wrote: |
It's all in the training, coaches and facilities to do it. |
The remarkable thing is that its not just a single area that has these facilities. It doesn't matter if you are in Michigan, Florida, California, or New York. You will find everything an athlete needs to be at their best. Everything from equipment, to Sports Medicine, to staff, etc.... |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Protein is the building blocks for muscles, carbs (such as dextrose, maltodextrin) repair the muscles.
If that is an accurate description of his diet then there cannot be much attention paid to macro-nutrient ratios: that diet is just purely and simply for energy supplementation, nothing else. If anything its a high carb diet.
| Darashii wrote: |
Entering 12 year olds?
| Gopher wrote: |
Speaking of American collegiate sports, here is something I just found at the NCAA's webpage on Michael Phelps's diet...
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Have you heard what Michael Phelps eats in a day?
Here's what the BBC reports:
Breakfast: Three fried egg sandwiches; cheese; tomatoes; lettuce; fried onions; mayonnaise; three chocolate-chip pancakes; five-egg omelette; three sugar-coated slices of French toast; bowl of grits; two cups of coffee
Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta; two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayonnaise on white bread; energy drinks
Dinner: Half-pound of pasta, with carbonara sauce; large pizza; energy drinks
No question Phelps needs the energy and, obviously, he burns it off in training (each time he jumps in the pool he sheds 1000 calories); but, call me crazy, there's just something gluttonous about three fried egg sandwiches and an entire large pizza.
Phelps isn't the only Olympic swimmer to admit his Beijing bingefest. Swimmer Ryan Lochte recently told the New York Times, "Nutrition's probably the last thing I worry about. It's probably my downfall. I've been eating McDonald's almost every meal here."
Nutritionists don't recommend eating like Lochte and Phelps, although they do say it's important to get plenty of carbs when you're training hard. Carbs help your muscles recover, so the smart choice would be to eat egg whites and whole-grain pastas, rather than the processed food favored by the most decorated Olympian of all-time.
Terrible diets high in fat can lead to plenty of problems later in life, so student-athletes beware. It's also a good idea to eat plenty of small meals to replenish your body, so don't gorge yourself shoving it in at one time. |
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BEAUTIFUL! :lol
But actually, he's eating a high carb high PROTEIN diet, and it's protein, not carbs, that heals and builds muscles. Elementary, dear BBC, elementary!
And notice how he tappers off his eating as he approaches sleepy time?
But he probably doesn't eat all of that in one sitting - likely does eat a series of "small" meals throughout the day. He's a "big" guy, but would probably bust (or vomit!) if he tried to eat it all at once and then jump in the pool. |
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nolegirl
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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I think the reason America is so great is b/c we play all different kinds of sports.
Look, Russia is good at gymnastics and....?? but they are not good at ping-pong or swimming probably.
Guatemala is not going to be good at equestrian games or say fencing probably.
In America you have the rescources to play all these sports and on top of that you can get scholarships to keep playing through college so their are monetary benefits as well. We are good at all sports, while other countries are good at only a few. Therefore America has many more chances to win since we compete in everything!! Including ping-pong!!! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Good point. Or why India is sucking so much.... |
Here are some excerpts from 'India's Failure of Olympic Proportions':
For one, a nation of a billion-plus people - the world's most populous democracy - has dispatched a small squad of 57 athletes (and 42 officials) to the Games. In other words, with a total of 28 sports and 302 events to compete in, only a meager 57 Indians athletes are qualified participants.
Contrast this with the United States, which marches into Beijing with a powerhouse contingent of 596 athletes. China has 639 and even tiny Estonia has 47 representatives. In terms of the total Olympic medal tallied, India ranks even behind Nigeria, a country whose economy is one-twentieth of its size.
Since India started participating in the Games in 1900, it has managed only 17 medals and only 12 since its independence in 1947. Even this abysmal tally is skewed, as the bulk of the medals (11) have been won in field hockey a team sport for which India didn't qualify this year...
Why does India perform so poorly at the Olympics? Why does a nation that awes the world with its IT prowess, its spectacular economic growth trajectory and its ever expanding list of billionaires, score so dismally in global sports?
For one, India's annual budget for sports is too meager. This year's US$280 million worth of funding is overshadowed by international standards. For example, China's - one of India's biggest rivals - has earmarked $2 billion for this year's Games.
About half the money from India's outlay will be channeled towards administrative expenses and the salaries of officials and bureaucrats...
Given India's low sports budget and an all-pervasive bureaucratic insensitivity towards sports, fans can hardly expect glittering medals. Instead they're left with sub-par training camps, inferior coaches and low-standard sports infrastructure. It should be no surprise then that the National Institute of Sports (Patiala) - the "training ground" for most Indian Olympic athletes - functions without such basics as a physiologist, psychologist or nutritionist...
But perhaps what is most responsible for India's pathetic performance at the Olympics is the lack of a strong and vibrant sports culture. Sports education - which ought to be an integral part of school and college curriculum - is sorely missing. This is largely because of the mindsets of Indian parents and teachers who accord little importance to sports education and excellence.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JH08Df03.html
The short answer is that India hasn't wanted to do well. This will change if Indians want it to change. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| While America is, as of this writing, in the lead, I wouldn't call her performance at these games dominance. |
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