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ED209
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 Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: Re: energy work |
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| D.D. wrote: |
The logical part of our brain is so arrogant. It knows little and pretends to know all. Just like you. |
Please forgive MM2, he has a bad habit of asking people for proof and medical evidence. I would have asked if it had past any peer reviewed studies or if any healers had won the JREF prize or for any double blind study. However, you mentioned Larry King and now this leaves me with little doubt in the power of reiki. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: energy work |
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| I have worked in healing for years and know from direct experience that this stuff works. |
And French scientists knew they saw N rays. The ability of the human mind to delude itself is well established. Sorry the plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data.
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| It is also comical to meet left brainers such as you that totally discount it as possible. |
And I also doubt santa exists. Sorry an energy field you can't measure and goes away under double blind conditions makes your claim somewhat in doubt.
It might exist. But I'm not going to believe in Santa or energy healing until I see good evidence. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: experience |
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It is an experience you need to have for yourself. If you eat chocolate and it's a nice experience do you need a scientific trial to prove chocolate tastes good?
As Maslow said there are peakers and non-peakers. In other words people who have had the experience and ones who have not.
Someone who has tasted chocolate can try to expalin it to someone who hasn't but if the person is looking for a double blind scietific study than what can you do.
People who need studies, need experts to validate an experience that they are too limited to even experience.
Experts are not always acting in your best interest. Why look to the experts to define your world? Get out there and try for yourself. If you haven't done that then your answer should be -I dont know. |
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svetsky
Joined: 02 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: experience |
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| D.D. wrote: |
| It is an experience you need to have for yourself. If you eat chocolate and it's a nice experience do you need a scientific trial to prove chocolate tastes good? |
That's an opinion, not a fact. They have done scientific studies on the effect of chocolate on the body, however.  (Conclusion: chocolate DOES exist!)
My friend goes to see a reiki master but we're out in the boonies. But if they're out here, I'm sure you can find one in Seoul. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: REIKI PRACTITIONERS around Bundang or Seoul area? |
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| svetsky wrote: |
PLEASE FORGIVE MY TONE:::BUT, IF YOU DON'T LIKE OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT REIKI YOU SHOULDN'T BE ON THIS FORUM, |
Questions should be submitted on a postcards then.
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| IF YOU NEED "PROOF" YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A BIT MORE RESEARCH OTHER THAN WIKIPEDIA.. |
Looking for proof would leave most people wanting.
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IN ANY CASE, WHAT HAS SCIENCE GOT TO DO WITH FAITH OR PRACTICES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PRACTICE LONG BEFORE THE "SCIENCE OF ANALYZING"...??? AS IF "SCIENCE IS ANY BARAOMETOR OF TRUTH  |
So how do we tell reiki works? Reiki practitioners claim to heal certain conditions, they get tested, the results show they no better than a placebo.
The age of the treatment is irrelevant, many old age treatments have been shown to not just be ineffective but also dangerous. Is Reiki dangerous? Certainly if you use it in place of conventional treatment or divert hospital funds(as in the UK) to fund something that's unproven.
DD, if chocolate was invisible and undetectable then that too would be a waste of time, money and effort. As for being limited, are you limited in seeing fairies(I can provide anecdotal evidence if needed)? Simply calling people limited when they don't agree with you is poor reasoning. We could equally claim that your mind is limited from seeing scientific evidence. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: Re: experience |
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| D.D. wrote: |
| It is an experience you need to have for yourself. If you eat chocolate and it's a nice experience do you need a scientific trial to prove chocolate tastes good? |
The point is we can operational define "good taste" and demonstrate it if need be. And yes. Chocolate bar makers do a lot of double blind scientific research to determine whether or not chocolate tastes good.
Look, believe in Santa or energy healing. But I would advise before you spend money on something promising an effective treatment for a physical ill, you find out if this treatment is any better than placebo.
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| People who need studies, need experts to validate an experience that they are too limited to even experience. |
A silly non sequitur. I suppose people who need to ensure an amusement park ride has complied with safety inspections are too limited to enjoy a roller coaster.
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| Experts are not always acting in your best interest. Why look to the experts to define your world? |
A silly straw man. We require experts for all manner of things. Deciding when to rely on authority (not to mention a system of double blind science that has led to massive numbers of advances) for health advise or some other technical matter is not allowing experts to define my world. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Re: REIKI PRACTITIONERS around Bundang or Seoul area? |
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| svetsky wrote: |
PLEASE FORGIVE MY TONE:::BUT, IF YOU DON'T LIKE OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT REIKI YOU SHOULDN'T BE ON THIS FORUM,
IF YOU NEED "PROOF" YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A BIT MORE RESEARCH OTHER THAN WIKIPEDIA..
IN ANY CASE, WHAT HAS SCIENCE GOT TO DO WITH FAITH OR PRACTICES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PRACTICE LONG BEFORE THE "SCIENCE OF ANALYZING"...??? AS IF "SCIENCE IS ANY BARAOMETOR OF TRUTH |
Could you respond in a manner that makes you appear less crazy? (That is, use lower case when grammatically correct.) |
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svetsky
Joined: 02 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: Re: REIKI PRACTITIONERS around Bundang or Seoul area? |
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this blog is for Reiki
What we don't need are silly posts that put it down or pointing out spelling errors..stick to the point
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: Re: REIKI PRACTITIONERS around Bundang or Seoul area? |
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this blog is for Reiki
What we don't need are silly posts that put it down or pointing out that spelling errors..stick to the point |
Sorry to be someone else who corrects you but a blog is a personal online diary. This is an internet forum primarily for English teachers. All posts are open for discussion so long as it meets the TOS.
What you appear not to need are people questioning your beliefs, which you continue to hold despite demonstrated irrationality of those beliefs. I would not want to stand by and watch people advertise snake oil on this site.
Posting in caps is also silly and should be taken to task as poor reasoning skills. As for spelling, I don't think any has so far or should be taken to task on this. |
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Teleria
Joined: 28 Jun 2008
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| I have to agree with svetsky here. The OP asked about Reiki practitioners. There were a couple of helpfully related responses, one direct response, one pm, and a whole bunch of people insulting each other and their beliefs. Take your arguments about scientific proof and faith to the Off Topics forum. I'm sure you'll find a lot of people to argue with there. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: experience |
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| D.D. wrote: |
It is an experience you need to have for yourself. If you eat chocolate and it's a nice experience do you need a scientific trial to prove chocolate tastes good?
As Maslow said there are peakers and non-peakers. In other words people who have had the experience and ones who have not.
Someone who has tasted chocolate can try to expalin it to someone who hasn't but if the person is looking for a double blind scietific study than what can you do.
People who need studies, need experts to validate an experience that they are too limited to even experience.
Experts are not always acting in your best interest. Why look to the experts to define your world? Get out there and try for yourself. If you haven't done that then your answer should be -I dont know. |
That's a gross simplification of Maslow....and that old "left brain/right brain" thinking is old hat and inaccurate....Too bad one of your degrees wasn't in psychology.
While I'm all for trying new things and some hold promise, much of these new age healing methods usually rely on mentally fooling yourself(placebo effect) and the fact that most problems heal over time.
However, you can argue the usefulness in terms of placebo....which can be extremely effective in some cases.
And despite opinions to the contrary, double blind studies can measure the effects of many alternative medicines. There is a reason meditation and message are accepted as legitimate practices for recuperation while Reiki is considered fringe. I'd love to get Reiki a shot....provided it doesn't cost a small fortune and multiple sessions....which so many alternative medicines unfortunately rely on. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: REIKI PRACTITIONERS around Bundang or Seoul area? |
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| svetsky wrote: |
this blog is for Reiki
What we don't need are silly posts that put it down or pointing out that spelling errors..stick to the point |
This is not a blog. Is English your first language? |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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This may well should be moved to the off-topic forum. However if I started a thread asking where I could waste time and money in Seoul, I shouldn't be surprised if some people warned myself or others to avoid such an endeavour. Or even if they insulted me for holding a belief in a practice that fails to offer any evidence greater than a placebo. Now does anyone know where I can buy a fan-death-proof fan?
Try not to confuse legitimate questioning with 'insults' on this thread. Asking for evidence is not insulting. So before I part with my hard earned cash, and apart from the anecdotal what evidence is there supporting Reiki? |
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svetsky
Joined: 02 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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I would like to apologize for using all "caps", it was reaction to a post I felt wasn't sticking to the subject, which is "Where can I find a Reiki Practitioner".
Naturally, people who don't know what Reiki is may post questions, however, without the insults. Reacting to the post was a silly move on my part.
There's alot of good information on the web about Reiki. I've always had positive experiences with Reiki and feel it's helpful, it's energy work. My first experience with Reiki was in 1995. My regular weekly massage practitioner offered a free Reiki session to try out. The result was quite powerful, an overwhelming feeling of calm, strength and re-newed energy.
Evidence that it works is down to my experience with it, others may have a different experience.
As with anything, I feel experience is the only true way to find answers, to find what works. |
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