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Rock



Joined: 25 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:02 am    Post subject: "Blood Atonement" Reply with quote

Interesting book out about Mormons called 'Under the Banner of Heaven.' Couple of Mormon guys murdered a mother and her child under the guise of "Blood Atonement."

This is a real teaching promulgated by Bringham Young and Joseph Smith that specifies "The only way a far-gone sinner can be redeemed and forgiven is to spill their blood on the earth. . .their sins are beyond God's grace. . ."

What's more, plural marriage is still practiced by about 30,000 Mormons, possible even 100,000(secretly.) Young woman are taken against their will, sometimes kidnapped, sexually abused and even raped.

Now, how can these guys(Mormon missionaries,) roaming the streets here not face these sad facts?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now, how can these guys(Mormon missionaries,) roaming the streets here not face these sad facts?


What sad facts? There are about 5 million Mormons in the US. 2 of them commited a murder. 30,000 out of 5 million have irregular marriages. (And those are in a splinter group, not the mainstream).

What's your point?
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe because your OP is hogwash?

  • The Lafferty brothers weren't Mormons. They were part of a polygamist group.
  • The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not preach polygamy and excommunicates those members who do preach it or get involved in it.


For those who aren't too lazy to do the research:
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It is important to note, however, that apostate Mormon groups have no affiliation with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.


And a bit more actual information about Blood Atonement than your swipe above.

Since the LDS missionaries have nothing to do with the Lafferty brothers, your OP is kind of irrelevant. Maybe next time you take a swipe at a goup, you'll do the research and learn which group is which so you don't tar the wrong one again.

Ya-ta Boy: The five million figure does not include the splinter groups. They are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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uberscheisse



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Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are just one too many letter Ms in that word.
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Jandar



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people like to link extremists in with the main stream "choose your favorite label" group.

Not all Muslims are terrorists.

Not all Christian are snake handlers.

Not all Christian are bible thumping imbeciles.

All Mormans are Christians.

All Mormans are not memebers of the LDS.

Not all Mormans practice polygamy.

Jefferson Airplane is not a sect of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Rock



Joined: 25 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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Now, how can these guys(Mormon missionaries,) roaming the streets here not face these sad facts?


What sad facts? There are about 5 million Mormons in the US. 2 of them commited a murder. 30,000 out of 5 million have irregular marriages. (And those are in a splinter group, not the mainstream).

What's your point?


No Ya-Ta Boy, your facts are mistaken. 5 MILLIONS MORMONS, OR LDS'S, BELIEVE IN THE SAME TEACHINGS OF THE BOOK OF MORMON!

Who wrote the Book of Mormon Ya-Ta Boy? Wasn't it the same person both groups call the founder of their faith, the one they follow and believe in?

This is my point. How can they(the LDS's) differentiate the two and say "Oh, Joseph said blood atonement was a revelation from God. . .but we deny it exists. . .yet we still believe Joseph's teaching and the book of Mormon are sacred.

Come on, man, more could be said. As for polygamy, SOME OF THE LDS'S THEMSELVES ARE SAID TO HAVE CONTINUED THE PRACTICE, AND STILL CARRY IT ON!
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Rock



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
Maybe because your OP is hogwash?

  • The Lafferty brothers weren't Mormons. They were part of a polygamist group.
  • The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not preach polygamy and excommunicates those members who do preach it or get involved in it.


For those who aren't too lazy to do the research:
Quote:
It is important to note, however, that apostate Mormon groups have no affiliation with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.


And a bit more actual information about Blood Atonement than your swipe above.

Since the LDS missionaries have nothing to do with the Lafferty brothers, your OP is kind of irrelevant. Maybe next time you take a swipe at a goup, you'll do the research and learn which group is which so you don't tar the wrong one again.

Ya-ta Boy: The five million figure does not include the splinter groups. They are not members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.


No body's taking a "swipe," but presenting facts.

Both believe Joseph Smith was a prophet, and the founder of their faith.
Joe said "blood atonement" was a reality.

Therefore, both are guilty of the same sad facts, no?
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get back with us after you learn the definitions of fact and relevance.
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Illysook



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read that book and I can tell from your post that you have not.

John Krakhauer is also the author of "Into the Wild" and a lot of adventure travel stuff, including a book about a failed Mt. Everest expedition that he was a part of. I can't remember the name of it right now, but it was a real page turner. I stayed up all night to read it and now the title totally escapes me. I hate that!

Anyway, the book will take you on quite a journey and as you read about tracking down the killers, you will also learn a lot about Mormonism and about what it's followers call Mormon fundamentalism.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Illysook wrote:
I've read that book and I can tell from your post that you have not.


Are you addressing me with that comment? If so, your ESP failed you. I've read the book and found it to be utter drivel.
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Illysook



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was addressing the OP.

Still, the book was pretty damned interesting, as it explored some things about how it doesn't seem to matter what religion is involved, there are always people who are going to be crazy extremists. I find the subject fascinating.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No Ya-Ta Boy, your facts are mistaken. 5 MILLIONS MORMONS, OR LDS'S, BELIEVE IN THE SAME TEACHINGS OF THE BOOK OF MORMON!


On what do you base that claim? If you've noticed while driving around any American city, there are hundreds of denominations of Christian churches. Do they all believe essentially the same thing? Well, yeah, sorta. Why don't they all have the same name? Because they have some differences in doctrine that mean something to the members but may not seem all that important to outsiders.

If you are someone who can't grasp the difference between total immersion Baptists and sprinklers, between Quakers, Catholics and Congregationalists, not to mention Greek Orthodox and Methodists, perhaps you shouldn't be trying to gloss over the differences among the varieties of Mormons.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy:

The OP is just displaying more ignorance of what and whom he's attacking. Plural marriage (aka polygamy) is not one of the teachings of the Book of Mormon.

And, both in popular parlance and by the various groups one writer termed "Divergent Paths of the Restoration," the term Mormon means members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The various other "divergent pats" refer to themselves by other terms.

In short, the OP is displaying his ignorance and his laziness. It's a pretty sad effort at trying to bolster his OP where he mistakenly considers the Lafferty brothers to have been members of the same church as the LDS missionaries here.


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Sushi



Joined: 24 Apr 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A book was written about Korean blood atonement in which a parent had the right to dispose of his or her daughter for any sexual transgression. Apparently the blood spilled was supposed to purify the daughter of her sins.
She of course went straight to the pearly gates where she got seranaded with harps.

Utah uses the firing squad for execution. There is supposed to be a connection between the blood spilt and the blood atonement.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try to keep up with the times. Smile

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In Utah, the firing squad consisted of five volunteer police officers from the county in which the conviction of the offender took place. A law passed on March 15, 2004 banned execution by firing squad in Utah, but since that specific law was not retroactive, four inmates on Utah's death row could still have their last requests granted.
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