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ytuque



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: What would you tell these students? Reply with quote

I am teaching a workshop for uni students who will be going abroad (mostly to the US) for a one year internship. I have 2 male students who are rather effeminate, and I see them occassionally holding hands during class among other things.

Would you tell these students to avoid this behavior in public while in the states?
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IncognitoHFX



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: What would you tell these students? Reply with quote

ytuque wrote:

Would you tell these students to avoid this behavior in public while in the states?


Depends, are they going to San Francisco or Utah?
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Newbie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would warn them in as polite a way as possible.

Make it sound like what they're doing is okay, but that Yanks are freaky and won't understand.
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M-su



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would tell them to read my awesome thread!
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ytuque



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They could be going to any number of cities in the US. I am primarily worried about their physical safety, and secondly, they do need to fit into whatever work environment they find themselves.

There is a possibility of getting into trouble if I have a discussion with them about this, regardless of whether it's a polite or very blunt discussion. Many Koreans refuse to believe that there are Korean homosexuals, and many FTs would think that I am some anti-Korean bigot for thinking this behavior is gay. This could cause some serious problems at work.
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garykasparov



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: What would you tell these students? Reply with quote

This is not an issue you should risk your job over.

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bogey666



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: What would you tell these students? Reply with quote

ytuque wrote:
I am teaching a workshop for uni students who will be going abroad (mostly to the US) for a one year internship. I have 2 male students who are rather effeminate, and I see them occassionally holding hands during class among other things.

Would you tell these students to avoid this behavior in public while in the states?


ha.. the question about whether they're going to be in SF was great! hahah

the effeminacy of some young Korean males is the one thing that I never expected coming here. and still shocks the hell out of me.

I suppose some kind of cultural warning is appropriate (for their own good), but I have no idea how one would go about explaining their "gayness" to them, when to them it may not be "gayness" at all.

American "gaydar" rules don't apply in Korea.
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bogey666



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ytuque wrote:
They could be going to any number of cities in the US. I am primarily worried about their physical safety, and secondly, they do need to fit into whatever work environment they find themselves.

There is a possibility of getting into trouble if I have a discussion with them about this, regardless of whether it's a polite or very blunt discussion. Many Koreans refuse to believe that there are Korean homosexuals, and many FTs would think that I am some anti-Korean bigot for thinking this behavior is gay. This could cause some serious problems at work.



smart and forward thinking on your part. Is there a Korean co worker/teacher who you are on good terms with and best yet has traveled abroad at least a little? I'd relay your concerns to them and ask them how to handle it.. and it'd be probably best for THEM to have such a conversation in private.
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inthezone



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would tell them to get a room Very Happy

Seriously though the other poster is right, leave them to it. Not your problem. Not worth the hassle and you could end up coming out the worst.
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bogey666



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the scary thing is they may not even be real homosexuals.

I see this in Korea (perhaps not to this extent, but similar stuff) among my male high school students all the time.

but they may not necessarily be homosexual.

Just a sub species of the average Korean male Smile (which is frightening and amusing all at the same time)
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Raeddie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember when I first came to Korea as a soldier. It was a huge culture shock to see all the Korean male soldiers hugging and holding hands.
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ytuque



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The really scary thing is that they might get the sh*t kicked out of them, regardless of whether they are gay or just appear to be gay.
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Draz



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: What would you tell these students? Reply with quote

ytuque wrote:
I am teaching a workshop for uni students who will be going abroad (mostly to the US) for a one year internship. I have 2 male students who are rather effeminate, and I see them occassionally holding hands during class among other things.

Would you tell these students to avoid this behavior in public while in the states?


Don't tell them anything, just do a class on what is appropriate touching behavior in America or something.

I saw two fat drunk old men walking down the street holding hands the other night. Biz-arre!
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I_Am_The_Kiwi



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do a lesson on western culture and what is deemed acceptable and what people find strange
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thatwhitegirl



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My high school students do stuff like this all the time (all-boys HS). Unless I look at them funny, no one notices. But if I look at them questioningly, they sit up straight and take their hands off each other. I don't say anything though, but they other students laugh and call them gay...which I never taught them.
Chinese do it too, as do many other Asians.

I think the idea of a class on appropriate physical behavior in western cultures is a good one. They'll find it interesting, and you can raise their awareness.
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