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mervsdamun
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
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 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: Is he Korean or is he a NZer? |
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Golf: NZ comes first for our new superstar
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Rising world golf star Danny Lee has pledged to remain as a New Zealand player when he turns professional, says one of his closest confidants.
Korean-born Lee, who stormed into the golf headlines with a crushing victory in the US Amateur championships yesterday, is set to become one of the hottest players in the game.
The early indications are that the 18-year-old from Rotorua, the world's top ranked amateur, can rise to the highest echelons of world golf.
Lee came to New Zealand with his family aged 9 and precedents set by other Korean players schooled here have raised questions about whether he would continue as a Kiwi.
But NZ Golf's high performance manager, David Graham, who speaks to Lee almost daily and has spent the past two weeks with him in America, said the teenager had pledged to remain a New Zealand player.
Lee had been listed as a Korean in a professional tournament in his native land two years ago but Graham said that was down to the tournament organisers and Lee was upset by it.
"It was before my time at New Zealand Golf but I understand Danny sent emails here saying he was horrified by that and wanted to know if we could do something to get it changed. He regards himself as a New Zealander and wants to represent the country.
"People need to be careful not to generalise just because situations have arisen with other Korean players. Danny is an individual and needs to be treated as such.
"I didn't speak to him about it over the past few weeks because I wanted him to be able to concentrate on golf without distractions like that.
"Danny is very upfront and that is what he has told us. It has never been a concern to me because I know what he thinks about it, although I know there has been a bit of talk about it. Danny always acts with integrity."
Another Kiwi golf product, Sharon Ahn, has returned to Korea, to much consternation in some quarters. There have also been suggestions that Eddie Lee now plays as a Korean, although the Asian circuit website still lists him as a New Zealander.
Graham said influences, such as extended family overseas, came into play and the youngsters did not always have control over the decision.
Danny Lee shapes as a rare case of a New Zealander with the potential to star in a global sport, and has anappetite for work to match his talent.
Graham said that Lee's playing partner at a professional tournament a few weeks ago, Patrick Sheehan, said the teenager conducted himself like a 10-year pro tour veteran.
And Graham gave a further insight into Lee's remarkable work ethic.
Even on tournament days, he treats golf as a nine-hour work day. That includes a two-hour warm-up regime, playing his round, and then hitting the practice range and greens for another 2 1/2 hours.
"Others might warm up for 10 minutes or half an hour, and after playing it's time to talk to their mates.
"Danny has shown the other young players around the country what it takes to get to the top. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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Does he have dual passports?
For most immigrants, NZ is a country of convenience. I used to work at a casino with indians, philippinos, etc ,who "bided" their time(2/3 years to get NZ passports) before seeking work in Australia. To me, that sucked and smacked of usary.
I think it depends on whether the person feels any loyalty or pride towards their new country before you could call them true-blue anything. |
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SHANE02
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| What ever he wants to be, and yes he has an NZ passport. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Does he have dual passports?
For most immigrants, NZ is a country of convenience. I used to work at a casino with indians, philippinos, etc ,who "bided" their time(2/3 years to get NZ passports) before seeking work in Australia. To me, that sucked and smacked of usary.
I think it depends on whether the person feels any loyalty or pride towards their new country before you could call them true-blue anything.
For Koreans, I think the prize is the whole world. |
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flaptastic
Joined: 06 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| He is attending the ceremony to become a New Zealand citizen when he arrives back in NZ after his outstanding victory in the USA. I'm quite sure he considers himself a Kiwi and will represent New Zealand at the Eisenhower Trophy later in the year (world amatuer golf championship). I remember when this guy was 13 he wrote a letter to Tiger Woods telling him that he's going to be better than he is, Tiger actually replied to him and wished the young lad all the best.....well with that victory he is now the youngest ever person to win the US Amatuer and exempt to play at next years US and British Opens (providing he stays an amatuer) It is likely he'll get an invitation to the US Masters too. Go Danny! |
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dalpengi
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
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If Danny Lee wants to represent NZ and is happy with this country, good for him. I liked that part how the Korean organisers listed him as a Korean against his wishes (or at least without his knowledge, something he then brought to their attention).
However, I take issue with the following:
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For most immigrants, NZ is a country of convenience. I used to work at a casino with indians, philippinos, etc ,who "bided" their time(2/3 years to get NZ passports) before seeking work in Australia. To me, that sucked and smacked of usary.
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You will find that it is NZ, or more specifically NZ Immigration industry that uses immigrants - not the other way around.
NZ is sold as a sub-tropical (or mediterranean) paradise - depends who you speak to. It is sold as a place where you go to further your career. No superlatives are spared selling this country overseas.
Once you have paid thousands of dollars in fees to various government
agencies and other attached to the immigration industry, what do you get?
Jobs:
- The jobs you were told were there aren't because...
- Even though you are a professional with 10+ years experience in your field and you are fluent in English (often Canadian, US or British citizen) you can't get them because you don't have Kiwi experience (whatever that is).
- Often people remove qualifications from their CV because they realise that employers find overqualified people intimidating
Housing:
- the weather is only slightly better than in Britain but the 3rd world standard of the housing makes the bad months (about 9 or 10 of them)
harder to endure
Cost of living:
Cost of living relative to salaries is extremely high and even people who are earning "a lot" by NZ standards complain about reduced quality of life as compared with their home countries
Australia:
Why would people want to endure such a country? Those Indians that you spoke of, do you think that working at the Casino should be the pinnacle of their ambitions? NZ must have the most educated taxi drivers in the world - I spoke to three drivers who have a PhDs in engineering (something I am ready to believe given that I'm an engineer) in the last three months.
In the end, if tens of thousands on NZrs are allowed to move to Australia to improve their miserable lives, why not migrants who have been conned and cheated out of their money?
No wonder websites like the one below are being created (website is run by Americans) :
http://www.expatexposed.com/ |
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dalpengi
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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This is the sort of migrants NZ is after:
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| Expatriation is also big business. Nowhere is this more true than in New Zealand. In 2006, migrants paid a net total of NZ$3.3 billion (US$2.5 billion/�1.77 billion) in taxes into the New Zealand economy, an astounding figure considering the "real" New Zealanders contributed a net of $2.84 billion, despite being 3/4 of the total population. The New Zealand government has aggressively marketed the country as a relocation destination to skilled workers, and the campaign has successfully created an image of New Zealand as a progressive, green and technologically innovative nation. |
http://www.expatexposed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19
Source: Fiscal impacts of immigration 2005/06. NZ Department of Labour |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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Australia:
Why would people want to endure such a country? Those Indians that you spoke of, do you think that working at the Casino should be the pinnacle of their ambitions? NZ must have the most educated taxi drivers in the world - I spoke to three drivers who have a PhDs in engineering (something I am ready to believe given that I'm an engineer) in the last three months.
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Get a grip of yourself. Such a country? We take the overflow of excess population that your pathetic country cannot create jobs for. What is more, without free trade with Australia, you'd be sunk. South Sea Canadians might be an apt moniker for your ilk, except that country has some redeeming features. Let's also not forget your mortgaging of your defense responsibilities, which now rely solely on, ooops, Australia again. Ask yourself why a full 20% of your fellow citizens choose to live abroad and then look at yourself in a mirror and repeat that bit about it being a paradise. |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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To me, that sucked and smacked of usary.
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The word you are looking for is usury and refers to excessive interest on a loan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| dalpengi wrote: |
If Danny Lee wants to represent NZ and is happy with this country, good for him. I liked that part how the Korean organisers listed him as a Korean against his wishes (or at least without his knowledge, something he then brought to their attention).
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He's Korean and will always be Korean, no matter what kind of passport he gets. Can you imagine someone moving to Africa and then claiming to be an African? |
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Tjames426
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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He's Korean and will always be Korean, no matter what kind of passport he gets. Can you imagine someone moving to Africa and then claiming to be an African?
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It is not about race, it is about Nationality. Guess you never met a white face from Zimbabwe, or South Africa? Can you imagine an African becoming an American citizen, and then claiming not to be a citizen of the USA? |
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Kiarell
Joined: 29 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| ChinaBoy wrote: |
| dalpengi wrote: |
If Danny Lee wants to represent NZ and is happy with this country, good for him. I liked that part how the Korean organisers listed him as a Korean against his wishes (or at least without his knowledge, something he then brought to their attention).
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He's Korean and will always be Korean, no matter what kind of passport he gets. Can you imagine someone moving to Africa and then claiming to be an African? |
My grandfather's Irish. His parents moved across the Atlantic hundred years ago. His skin is white and freckled. How could he ever claim to be an American. He's only integrated with other people living here and speaks the lingua franca, lives works, and breeds here. Then dies here.
By your logic anyone in Australia, Japan, NZ or the Americas who is not 100% Aborigine, Ainu, Maori, or Amerindian is truly a resident of Europe. |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ChinaBoy wrote: |
He's Korean and will always be Korean, no matter what kind of passport he gets. Can you imagine someone moving to Africa and then claiming to be an African? |
Good, tell that to all the Koreans who said Cho Seung-Hui was American.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| dalpengi wrote: |
If Danny Lee wants to represent NZ and is happy with this country, good for him. I liked that part how the Korean organisers listed him as a Korean against his wishes (or at least without his knowledge, something he then brought to their attention).
However, I take issue with the following:
| fusionbarnone wrote: |
For most immigrants, NZ is a country of convenience. I used to work at a casino with indians, philippinos, etc ,who "bided" their time(2/3 years to get NZ passports) before seeking work in Australia. To me, that sucked and smacked of usary.
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You will find that it is NZ, or more specifically NZ Immigration industry that uses immigrants - not the other way around.
NZ is sold as a sub-tropical (or mediterranean) paradise - depends who you speak to. It is sold as a place where you go to further your career. No superlatives are spared selling this country overseas.
Once you have paid thousands of dollars in fees to various government
agencies and other attached to the immigration industry, what do you get?
Jobs:
- The jobs you were told were there aren't because...
- Even though you are a professional with 10+ years experience in your field and you are fluent in English (often Canadian, US or British citizen) you can't get them because you don't have Kiwi experience (whatever that is).
- Often people remove qualifications from their CV because they realise that employers find overqualified people intimidating
Housing:
- the weather is only slightly better than in Britain but the 3rd world standard of the housing makes the bad months (about 9 or 10 of them)
harder to endure
Cost of living:
Cost of living relative to salaries is extremely high and even people who are earning "a lot" by NZ standards complain about reduced quality of life as compared with their home countries
Australia:
Why would people want to endure such a country? Those Indians that you spoke of, do you think that working at the Casino should be the pinnacle of their ambitions? NZ must have the most educated taxi drivers in the world - I spoke to three drivers who have a PhDs in engineering (something I am ready to believe given that I'm an engineer) in the last three months.
In the end, if tens of thousands on NZrs are allowed to move to Australia to improve their miserable lives, why not migrants who have been conned and cheated out of their money?
No wonder websites like the one below are being created (website is run by Americans) :
http://www.expatexposed.com/ |
NZ has great benefits; free healthcare, automatic pension, state housing, etc, subsidised pensioner accommodation. Try getting those plusses in the US.
NZ is a safe country to raise kids in in uncertain times(ask any immigrant). Cheap universities with great rankings, good schools, lifestyle.
The jobs may not always be there but the country is sure great to fall back on don't you think?
How about the immigrants that live on the bene? Welfare is so generous they don't have to try too hard. If one is young and willing to search for better opportunities sure, "crossing the ditch" is an option. But I ask you this, which immigrant is prepared to give up their "new" citizenship. |
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ChinaBoy wrote: |
| dalpengi wrote: |
If Danny Lee wants to represent NZ and is happy with this country, good for him. I liked that part how the Korean organisers listed him as a Korean against his wishes (or at least without his knowledge, something he then brought to their attention).
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He's Korean and will always be Korean, no matter what kind of passport he gets. Can you imagine someone moving to Africa and then claiming to be an African? |
If he speaks with a kiwi accent he's a Kiwi to me.
Sadly there are a lot of rednecks in New Zealand who sometimes have difficulty with accepting non-whites and non-Maori as New Zealanders, but I'd like to think that most decent whites and Maori are far more open.
What's wrong with Danny Lee identifying himself as a Kiwi first but still taking pride in his Korean heritage and links too?
I'm looking forward to the day when NZ's ethnic make-up is so mixed up that the image of a ruddy faced whity is not the first image that pops into your head when people mention New Zealanders |
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