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in_seoul_2003



Joined: 24 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:45 am    Post subject: Oh, come one, what is this crap?! Reply with quote

Airlines Team up Against New Budget Carrier

By Kim Rahn
Staff Reporter

Four low-cost domestic carriers are trying to block the launch of Incheon-Tiger Airways, a joint venture between the Incheon City and Singapore's Tiger Airways.

They said the airline under Singaporean control will infringe on South Korea's aviation sovereignty and hamper the development of domestic budget carriers.

Air Busan, Yeongnam Air, Jeju Air and Jin Air jointly filed a petition with the Ministry of Land, Transport and Maritime Affairs Monday, asking the Incheon-Tiger not get an operating license.

Incheon-Tiger planned to start service this year. Incheon and its affiliates own 51 percent of the shares ― the city government 2.4 percent, its tourism unit 20 percent and two affiliates the remainder ― and Tiger is the single largest shareholder with 49 percent.

The city says the share distribution does not violate domestic aviation law that bans an aviation business if a foreign government, organization or firm owns more than half of its shares.

But other carriers say Tiger will virtually control the carrier since Incheon has no experience in the airline business. The city will not have effective control over the business and thus the airline is illegal, they said.

``Under the mask of `Korean carrier,' Tiger is attempting to get a free ride in the big Northeast Asian market of Korea, China and Japan, as Singapore's domestic market is very small. Its operation here will attack Korea's aviation sovereignty,'' the airlines said in the petition.

As Tiger has good financing from the Singaporean government, Korean budget carriers that have yet to take root will go bankrupt, they said.

The airlines also said Incheon has a moral problem, quoting the Incheon Citizens' Coalition for Economic Justice. The civic group earlier said the city should not compete with other private airlines since it houses Incheon International Airport, which is tasked to support private airlines.

``If the government permits Incheon-Tiger's business, similar cases will follow. We hope the government will not approve the license and prevent the problem from getting worse,'' the carriers said.

Following the controversy, Incheon decided to suspend its preparations, including the application for the license, saying they need more time to promote the carrier and persuade other companies.

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http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/08/117_29957.html
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alinkorea



Joined: 02 May 2005

PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's this attitude that has seen foreign investment in Korea nosedive
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Ginormousaurus



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would this just be a domestic carrier? Or are we possibly missing out on cheap flights all around Asia?
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Css



Joined: 27 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isnt this a common thing?

Im almost certain that the US has similar laws restricting foreign ownership of domestic airlines.
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Lekker



Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ginormousaurus wrote:
Would this just be a domestic carrier? Or are we possibly missing out on cheap flights all around Asia?


Definitely missing out on cheap flights all around Asia.

Think of Incheon Airport as a playground. A playground with a few fat Korean Boys with lots of toy planes and not much common sense. Then comes a Korean girl with a Singaporian boy friend who wants to play on the same playground. Her boyfriend is really smart, but he's different, and he wears the pants in the relationship, unlike the Korean boys. The Korean boys run and cry to the teacher who has to think it over, so in the meantime the Korean girl and her boy friend are not wanted on the play ground.
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bangbayed



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corporate cabals. It's pathetic.
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Guri Guy



Joined: 07 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same old crap in South Korea.
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Css



Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river

PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah those stupid xenophobic koreans..

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The Federal Aviation Act prohibits foreigners from owning more than 25 percent of an American airline. Last week, Virgin America, a U.S.-based start-up launched by British billionaire Richard Branson, was told that it had to change ownership before it could get an operating certificate. Meanwhile, FL Group, an Iceland-based investment company, announced it had amassed a 6 percent stake in American Airlines and was interested in getting more involved with the company's management. But because it is restricted from acquiring more than 25 percent, FL Group will likely not be able to exert much influence on the airline.


ah wait...that would be the US...

you guys should look into what goes on in this world before getting all stroppy about this.
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[email protected]



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming from Europe,which has a proliferation of bugdet carriers that will take you around the continent for dirt cheap, I was shocked at the price of flights coming in and out of Korea to neighbouring countries. The Industry badly needs a shakeup here
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PeteJB



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there are for example say, 5 budget airlines introduced over time, would that not effectively increase tourism to Korea in the future? I fail to see the logic of the cowering Korean airlines fearing for their profits.
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shapeshifter



Joined: 29 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Css wrote:
ah those stupid xenophobic koreans..

Quote:
The Federal Aviation Act prohibits foreigners from owning more than 25 percent of an American airline. Last week, Virgin America, a U.S.-based start-up launched by British billionaire Richard Branson, was told that it had to change ownership before it could get an operating certificate. Meanwhile, FL Group, an Iceland-based investment company, announced it had amassed a 6 percent stake in American Airlines and was interested in getting more involved with the company's management. But because it is restricted from acquiring more than 25 percent, FL Group will likely not be able to exert much influence on the airline.


ah wait...that would be the US...

you guys should look into what goes on in this world before getting all stroppy about this.



I'm glad someone bothered to point this out. I'm continually amazed by the eagerness of certain dubiously qualified English teachers to confidently adopt such entrenched positions on issues they obviously know precious little about.

I'm a consultant on EU law and was closely involved in the recent 'Open Skies' negotiations, in which the US did everything they could to block the incursion of low-cost European carriers into the transatlantic market. Is that xenophobia, narrow-minded self interest, or simply effective negotiating?

It seems to me that these predictable, ill-informed, knee-jerk commentaries say more about the agenda of some of the people on this board than they do about Korea. It's really quite pathetic. Korea, like any country, is riddled with genuine flaws which merit discussion. Getting hung up on non-issues (or rather inevitable realities of the modern world) like this is a pointless and self-serving distraction.

Sparkling!
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Guri Guy



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile, prices remain super high in this country to fly anywhere. Sad

Rightly or wrongly, it is expensive to leave this place whether you love it or not. Sad

It'd sure be nice to have a budget airline or some real competition in the industry. Whatever form that took doesn't matter.
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Lekker



Joined: 09 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Css wrote:
ah those stupid xenophobic koreans..

Quote:
The Federal Aviation Act prohibits foreigners from owning more than 25 percent of an American airline. Last week, Virgin America, a U.S.-based start-up launched by British billionaire Richard Branson, was told that it had to change ownership before it could get an operating certificate. Meanwhile, FL Group, an Iceland-based investment company, announced it had amassed a 6 percent stake in American Airlines and was interested in getting more involved with the company's management. But because it is restricted from acquiring more than 25 percent, FL Group will likely not be able to exert much influence on the airline.


ah wait...that would be the US...

you guys should look into what goes on in this world before getting all stroppy about this.


If you fly from Florida or Maine to Alaska, you are flying a quarter of the way across the world.

If you fly from Seoul to Pusan, you are really going nowhere. The same distance from FL or ME to AK coming from Incheon would put you far past Singapore. Shooting themselves in the foot, again.

shapeshifter wrote:

I'm a consultant on EU law and was closely involved in the recent 'Open Skies' negotiations, in which the US did everything they could to block the incursion of low-cost European carriers into the transatlantic market. Is that xenophobia, narrow-minded self interest, or simply effective negotiating?

Sparkling!


I'm a consultant on absolutely nothing. Why should the US involve low cost carriers from Europe to fly Transatlantic into their airports? The U.S. already has it's fair share of domestic based carriers doing that, in addition, major European carriers are already doing quite well flying to major destinations in the US. Lufthansa, LOT, TAP, British Airways, Air France, KLM, etc. Keep the Low cost European carriers in Europe. Makes more sense.
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garykasparov



Joined: 27 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guri Guy wrote:
Same old crap in South Korea.


Like the dog mutilation, eh?
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Bigfeet



Joined: 29 May 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there was true international competition, the airline with the lowest personnel costs would win, hands down. That would mean a developing country would own the US and EU flying markets.
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