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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Got an F-2-1 visa which gives me absolute freedom over my work here in Korea and have taken full advantage of adding a high school in addition to my university contracts. Making good money is always nice. No more E-2 slavery. |
absolute freedom? You need permission from your employeer if you want to work at a second place even though you have an F-2 -1 visa. Just because the E-2 sucks doesn't mean the F2-1 is good. |
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Alex Buffa
Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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absolute freedom? You need permission from your employeer if you want to work at a second place even though you have an F-2 -1 visa. Just because the E-2 sucks doesn't mean the F2-1 is good.[/quote]
You are incorrect, I do NOT need permission to work at a 2nd location. My card and passport are living proof. My primary visa is F-2, NOT E-2.
The rules of work under an E-2 visa no longer apply when you have an F-2.
Think I'm wrong? Why not call immigration and ask them |
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Rand Al Thor
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Locked in an epic struggle
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Alex is correct. All you need to do is go to immigration for the permission to work at more than one location. F-2-1 VISA's while not perfect grant much more freedom than an E2.
Also no more stupid VISA runs when changing jobs. |
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chandler bing
Joined: 04 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Visa runs are cool! As long as you employer pays for them. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Alex Buffa wrote: |
absolute freedom? You need permission from your employeer if you want to work at a second place even though you have an F-2 -1 visa. Just because the E-2 sucks doesn't mean the F2-1 is good. |
You are incorrect, I do NOT need permission to work at a 2nd location. My card and passport are living proof. My primary visa is F-2, NOT E-2.
The rules of work under an E-2 visa no longer apply when you have an F-2.
Think I'm wrong? Why not call immigration and ask them |
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I already have. An F-4 allows you the freedom you talk about , the F-2-l allows you the freedom to quit but not add employeers w/o permission.
the policy at 'immigration" is they will grant you permission to work at one place only unless you have permission from your first employeer. Even with the F-2-1. It sucks but that is the Korean government. |
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Alex Buffa
Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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You are WRONG. The F-4 visa is for kyopo's. I'm not Korean, my F-2-1 visa is a MARRIAGE visa which gives me residence in Korea.
I am able to contract with anyone and ask for permission to work under my F-2 visa through immigration. IT IS NOT UPTO MY EMPLOYER decide if I'm allowed ot work at another location. I know this because I HAVE worked at 2 locations and neither employer were aware.
All you need is a contract and the work schedules that do not overlap and you can have permission to work at TWO locations. You need immigrations permission NOT your employers. My employer does not own my visa...my wife does.
I think you are deeply misinformed and do not fully understand what you are talking about. Those of us who actually DO have the F-2 visa fully understand this. You are speaking out of plain ignorance. I know this because I've done the process and have done exactly what you said is impossible.
go figure..you are very wrong.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Alex Buffa wrote: |
You are WRONG. The F-4 visa is for kyopo's. I'm not Korean, my F-2-1 visa is a MARRIAGE visa which gives me residence in Korea.
I am able to contract with anyone and ask for permission to work under my F-2 visa through immigration. IT IS NOT UPTO MY EMPLOYER decide if I'm allowed ot work at another location. I know this because I HAVE worked at 2 locations and neither employer were aware.
All you need is a contract and the work schedules that do not overlap and you can have permission to work at TWO locations. You need immigrations permission NOT your employers. My employer does not own my visa...my wife does.
I think you are deeply misinformed and do not fully understand what you are talking about. Those of us who actually DO have the F-2 visa fully understand this. You are speaking out of plain ignorance. I know this because I've done the process and have done exactly what you said is impossible.
go figure..you are very wrong.
Alex |
Immigration won't grant permssion if you don't have the permission from the employer. E-2 or F2 makes no difference.
the policy at immigration is that they will give permission for one location and one location only unless you have permission from your employeer. This is true even if you have a F-2 visa.
this has even been discussed before
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?p=14695&highlight=#14695 |
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dutchman

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: My backyard
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Alex Buffa wrote: |
You are WRONG. The F-4 visa is for kyopo's. I'm not Korean, my F-2-1 visa is a MARRIAGE visa which gives me residence in Korea.
I am able to contract with anyone and ask for permission to work under my F-2 visa through immigration. IT IS NOT UPTO MY EMPLOYER decide if I'm allowed ot work at another location. I know this because I HAVE worked at 2 locations and neither employer were aware.
All you need is a contract and the work schedules that do not overlap and you can have permission to work at TWO locations. You need immigrations permission NOT your employers. My employer does not own my visa...my wife does.
I think you are deeply misinformed and do not fully understand what you are talking about. Those of us who actually DO have the F-2 visa fully understand this. You are speaking out of plain ignorance. I know this because I've done the process and have done exactly what you said is impossible.
go figure..you are very wrong.
Alex |
I was told the same thing as Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee. I am allowed to work at another location but in no uncertain terms they told me I would need permission from my university. I was told that about 10 months ago. Maybe the situation has changed.
Alex, when did you get your permission to work at the 2nd location and what immigration office do you go to (they all seem to have different interpretations ofthe law)? |
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Alex Buffa
Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2003 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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I also work at a high school 2 days a week. I started working there under permission in September and my contract finished this week until the next school semester starts again.
Joo whatever is on some serious crack binge because she (or he..not sure) is bent on telling me that I CAN'T do what I've been doing legally for the past few months.
This leads me to believe she's a total nutcase who has no clue what she's talking about. I'm talking from personal and practical experience...and she says I'm wrong... Then again, her "immigration source" may simply use a blanket E-2 rules when asked about the F-2 rules because their source is not familiar with all the new things that are accompanied with the F-2 visa. It's just easier to say the old standard line since it has to do with "teaching" but the rules of making their work agreement no longer apply.
Me thinks she needs to hold off on the pipe long enough for those brain cells to start connecting again with the common sense logic that those F-4's are holding.
As for F-2's, it's a totally new ballgame with regards to work. She doesn't get it. But that's ok, not like it actually impacts on me since I've been doing exactly what she says is impossible.
I say let her (or him) keep their soap box and spew out whatever they want to say..only a fool would listen to her/him..
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:38 am Post subject: |
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I could get the F-2 but when I married guys couldn't get it.
Here's the thing, really what advantage is it if I just want to work at the same place? My coworker has it and has to pay that F-2 visa fee every year AND the e-2 fee every year. Seems like just more hassles.
Also since it is my school that is sponsering me if some crap does go down like I get in a car accident or a fight, my wife isn't on the hook to bail me out - it is my Korean sponser.
That is the prime reason I haven't done the F-2. Visa runs? I plan to stay at my current job until I leave Korea, so that isn't an issue for me.
So again what's so great about it? |
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Holyjoe

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: Away for a cuppa
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Mr. Pink wrote: |
That is the prime reason I haven't done the F-2. Visa runs? I plan to stay at my current job until I leave Korea, so that isn't an issue for me.
So again what's so great about it? |
I don't know where you work so it might not be too applicable, but if your job/place of employment were to disappear for whatever reason then you're in the same boat as other folk - no E-2 means no right to stay in the country, you'd have to go out and come back in again on a tourist visa until you fix yourself for extra work.
Like I said, you might have fantastic job security so this won't be an issue, but for others who are working with teaching contracts and who are likely to want to stay in Korea for a period after their contract expires and before their new one begins then the F-2-1 allows for that. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Alex Buffa wrote: |
I also work at a high school 2 days a week. I started working there under permission in September and my contract finished this week until the next school semester starts again.
Joo whatever is on some serious crack binge because she (or he..not sure) is bent on telling me that I CAN'T do what I've been doing legally for the past few months.
This leads me to believe she's a total nutcase who has no clue what she's talking about. I'm talking from personal and practical experience...and she says I'm wrong... Then again, her "immigration source" may simply use a blanket E-2 rules when asked about the F-2 rules because their source is not familiar with all the new things that are accompanied with the F-2 visa. It's just easier to say the old standard line since it has to do with "teaching" but the rules of making their work agreement no longer apply.
Me thinks she needs to hold off on the pipe long enough for those brain cells to start connecting again with the common sense logic that those F-4's are holding.
As for F-2's, it's a totally new ballgame with regards to work. She doesn't get it. But that's ok, not like it actually impacts on me since I've been doing exactly what she says is impossible.
I say let her (or him) keep their soap box and spew out whatever they want to say..only a fool would listen to her/him..
Alex |
Well gee I got one of those F2-1 and I have fought with immigration about getting permission and they won't give it and don't give it.
The policy at immigration is no permission from unless you get permission from your employeer. That is the way they do things. I am talking though personal experience. They won't grant it.
Maybe you just lucked out or maybe you are telling nonsense . It would be nice to see someone else back up your story. If it were really so then someone other than you would be contradicting me.
By the way Alex if you know so much then why don't you answer the guys question above.
One more thing even if you have the F2-1 you still need the E-2 to work and that is why it is on the back of your foreigner ID card.
I would be more apt to believe you Alex except for the fact you have a long history of making things in Korea seem better than they are. |
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Alex Buffa
Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Well gee I got one of those F2-1 and I have fought with immigration about getting permission and they won't give it and don't give it.
That's too bad...why not contact the Chonju Immigration office and ask them? That's where I had mine done and ask the woman there who does the papers. She's very good, speaks fluent English and is very informed about the rules.
The policy at immigration is no permission from unless you get permission from your employeer. That is the way they do things. I am talking though personal experience. They won't grant it.
Nope...that's what YOUR immigration office tells you. If you read what I wrote, I stated that some officers seem to just use the blanket E-2 rules for anything when it comes to teaching. The fact that you are on an F-2 means you are no longer under the E-2's restriction rules. You don't fully seem to understand that.
Maybe you just lucked out or maybe you are telling nonsense . It would be nice to see someone else back up your story. If it were really so then someone other than you would be contradicting me.
Well I guess it just sucks to be you, but my circumstances are not like yours. As I said, call the immi office in Chonju and ask them.
By the way Alex if you know so much then why don't you answer the guys question above.
Because I was sleeping when you wrote your snappy e.mail.
One more thing even if you have the F2-1 you still need the E-2 to work and that is why it is on the back of your foreigner ID card.
Because it's the closest visa that resembles your permission to do things outside your sojourn status. So if I'm working in a factory and an immi asks for my card...he can simply say..you only have permission to teach..not do this.
I would be more apt to believe you Alex except for the fact you have a long history of making things in Korea seem better than they are
Korea has been very good to me. I'm sorry you can't seem to make it work for you. Then again..I don't really care about your problems. |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Dude! Learn how to use the quote function! Nobody's gonna make their way through that mess. |
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Alex Buffa
Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2003 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Corporal wrote: |
Dude! Learn how to use the quote function! Nobody's gonna make their way through that mess. |
that better?
=P |
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