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[yawarakaijin]

After reading about Guilianni go on and on about how McCain understands and will defeat radical Islam it got me thinking. What can WE really do about it?

Leaving partisan politics aside. What can you really do against a radical ideology? I would like this thread to refrain from the usual dem/republican rants.

I just finished watching the film Munich and I thought it was very well done. Basically, the Israelis decide to really go after the Palestinians after the slaying of their olympic athletes in Munich. At the end of the film, quite a few members connected to Black September are dead. Makes for a real feel good kinda movie execpt at the end, nothing has really changed.

There is also a very poignant moment when the Israeli bomb maker begins to doubt what he is doing. Do you give up everything that makes you who you are and become a monster to fight a monster?

[mises]

We tolerate it and hope to all hell they tolerate us. Oh, and must keep them wealthy too.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/022521.php

�A [sic] economic downturn in Britain could aggravate racial tensions and grievances that help to feed terrorist recruitment, according to a leaked government document.� � from this news article

If an economic downturn will lead, inexorably, to an increase in terrorism, the logical result can be foreseen without much difficulty:

Infidels must, within their own countries, and of course abroad in the Muslim lands, do all they can to ensure a constant level of prosperity among Muslims. They must do this no matter how badly things may be for Infidels, and no matter how many trillions of dollars are raked in by the plutocrats of Arabia and other Muslim OPEC members and then not shared with other Muslims either within the same countries, or in other countries. Arabs have been the recipients of the greatest unearned wealth, and the greatest transfer of wealth, in human history. Since 1973 Arab and Muslim oil states have received between 5 and 6 trillion dollars from Infidel countries.

And, while we are on the subject, why are the Infidel lands offering, in addition to the fantastic oligopolistic rents charged by the OPEC oil nations, a kind of vast Jizya? The game is seen clearly as one between the Infidels, viewed economically as one power, and on the other side, the Muslims, also viewed as one. And it is the responsibility of the Infidels to keep the Muslims prosperous, because otherwise there will be an upsurge in terrorism against those Infidels.

In other words, we must -- forever, apparently -- guarantee that Muslims around the world and especially in the West are kept prosperous. This will be a tall order. Infidels generally limit their family size, while Muslims deliberately have huge families, and Muslim leaders (Khaddafy, Boumedienne, many others) speak openly about outbreeding Infidels in Europe and thus, slowly and inexorably, inheriting that continent. Polygamy, where practiced, even in Infidel lands where it is officially illegal, leads to still larger families. Muslims discourage education for women, and they certainly also discourage most kinds of work outside the home for women, even while regarding them as breeding machines.

Muslims are also discouraged from free and skeptical inquiry, which not only science, but a certain kind of entrepreneurial activity relies upon � that is, the spirit of doing things in a novel way. The work-ethic, or lack of it, can be seen in visits to coffeehouses in Arab cities, Cairo or Damascus or Baghdad, where men idle away the day with hubble-bubble pipes, or watching television, or playing Arab board-games. In the oil-rich Muslim lands, they idle away the time differently, but idle it away they do, while foreign, chiefly Infidel, workers, keep things humming. Inshallah-fatalism helps to explain the comparatively poor economic performance of Muslim states, and of Muslims compared to Infidels in Infidel states.

Why then should it be the responsibility of Infidels to ignore this explanation for the failure of some Muslims to be prosperous (those who have the oil money to keep them afloat, as so many rich Arabs in the West do, are another story), and to think that it is the duty of Infidels to keep those Muslims prosperous, yesterday, today, tomorrow, forever? It makes no sense.

But if it were to be believed that the only way to keep Muslims from becoming dangerous is to ensure their prosperity, then another tack suggests itself. Why endure a Muslim presence in the West at all, if the only way those Muslims can remain here safely is if we, the Infidels, guarantee that they will be prosperous, for we will see to it by transferring our wealth or by hiring those who on merit alone would not deserve it? There is no need. The argument that Muslims will turn violent when the economy turns down -- the economy will always turn down -- is not an argument in favor of permanent Infidel support for Muslims, but for ending Muslim immigration, and reversing the current demographic trends by making the gradual imposition of Islamic practices and laws more, rather than less, difficult, all over the lands of the Infidel West.

That is the conclusion to be reached. But that is not what those who wrote this "government document" have dared to let themselves conclude.

So we've done it for them.

Or, we can invade their nations and at the same time encourage them to migrate to the West. Nothing can go wrong there. McCain doesn't get it.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

I would like to see the US try these things.


1) Bring back the Clinton mideast plan. ( In fact make Bill Clinton US envoy to the middle east. That way he won't make trouble back home. )

2) Don't attack Iran- not now anyway.

3) Talk to Iran and Syria.

4) Tax imported oil , raise the gas tax


5) Invest in alternative energy , clean coal , nuclear power, better exploration methods with the same effort that the US put in to winning WW II.


6) Pressure the Europeans to , in fact apply horrible pressure to Europe to list Hezzbollah as a terror group.


7) Make the Patriot act permanent.


8 ) Introduce a national ID card like Korea has

9) Set up permanent US military bases in the Kurdish areas.


10) End the CIA ban on assassinations. From now on anyone of note who calls for holy war against the US is legitimate target for assassination. Anyone of note who funds Al Qaeda is a legitimate target for assassination.

11) announce that the US will withdraw from the NPT treaty if Iran tests a nuclear bomb.

12) Do NOT agree to any treaty that limits the deployment of space weapons.

13 ) Fully invest in the next generation of weapon systems.

If the US were to do the above what would the results be? I would bet you all that the US would be in a much better strategic situation than now.

Maybe more would need to be done later - in the end it has to be whatever it takes - but the above would be a start.

[doc_ido]

[doc_ido]

[Gopher]

Contain it.

[I_Am_The_Kiwi]

Are we talking in relation to USA only or the world?

In any case, i think its pretty hard to stop radicals of any religious background. The problem is that these days your not fighting an army, or a country. Youre fighting individuals who are pissed off. Theyre not in these groups cos they have to, they believe in their cause and are prepared to die for it.
They dont like you, your country, your ideals, anything about you. This is why they hate you. To try and use diplomacy against them is like trying to put out a fire with a water pistol. big fkn waste of time. Taxing oil, stopping space weapons, declaring theyre terrorist groups. You think they give a shit or will stop cos you said theyre bad. HA!

These kids see their homes destroyed by bombs, houses raided by soldiers and you wonder why the hate continues through all age groups.
Wouldnt you want to kill some bastard if he came into your house time and time again busting down doors and causing shit all cos theyre looking for someone who you dont even know.

And because they operate in small numbers, that can easily congregate and disperse. Easily setup an attack plan with no knowledge cos its so small scale its mostly undetectable.

Just glad NZ kept its nose out of Iraq.

How can it be over come? Who knows, but if you have the answer maybe you should tell Bush cos im sure he could use the help with that shit storm in Iraq.

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4146969.stm


Al-Qaeda camps 'trained 70,000'

[deadman]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

[Leslie Cheswyck]

We could shove things up its ass.

[Hater Depot]

If something can't go on forever, then it won't. Radical Islam is one of those things. Disrupt it whenever it ever even thinks about trying to enter the west, deport or jail it when it does. Wash, rinse, and repeat until it inevitably gives way to modern Islam.

[Rum Jungle]

[quote="I_Am_The_Kiwi"]Are we talking in relation to USA only or the world?



These kids see their homes destroyed by bombs, houses raided by soldiers and you wonder why the hate continues through all age groups.
Wouldnt you want to kill some bastard if he came into your house time and time again busting down doors and causing shit all cos theyre looking for someone who you dont even know...


I don't buy it...The Vietnamese should be the biggest terrorists in the world after the American armed forces efforts to try and win the war there. But the Vietnamese are not. No comparable armed violence has been visited on Muslim countries by the West. The OPs question is one difficult question to resolve.

[contrarian]

Kill 'em all let God sort 'em out.

A little extreme . . .