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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| I think you need a history lesson! The dark ages as what you speak of was in the west around 1500 years ago... |
1500 is between 1000 and 3000, isn't it?
It was when I went to school.
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| why dont you go back and read what I wrote and try to see what I am saying.. I never said the west either! |
You didn't say any particular place.
So that gives us two reasons why Underwater Bob's objection was perfectly legitimate.
And if religion is so wonderful, what caused the Dark Ages if it wasn't the church?
And if it is good to be loving and spiritual, and if pious worship makes people loving and spiritual, then why was your response to Underwater Bob so hateful? |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Science applies to everyone, like it or not. Spirituality is rarely the same between two separate people, no matter how much any one faith claims to be the absolute truth. |
If spirituality was taught in school, if the government gave money for funding into spirituality then it would apply to everyone because then it would be clear how absolute it is. |
show me a western government that doesn't give tax-free status to churches. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| And if evolution is a religion then government owes science a huge tax rebate. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
And if religion is so wonderful, what caused the Dark Ages if it wasn't the church?
And if it is good to be loving and spiritual, and if pious worship makes people loving and spiritual, then why was your response to Underwater Bob so hateful? |
my response was not hateful! just becuase I dont agree with him doesnt mean its hateful!
to answer your question about what started the wars! simple..
GREED! MONEY! mans desire for control! the same things that start wars today! a good way to rally the people in those days was to use the name of GOD! kinda like SAYING there were WMD'S!
you have some serious hate on for religion I suggest you take it up with your therapist!
| uberscheisse wrote: |
show me a western government that doesn't give tax-free status to churches. |
wow you must of went to a cool school, at my school
Buddhism , yoga, zen, hinduism, taoism, meditation were not taught in class after science and religious studies.
I was never taught how to meditate either..
tax breaks is hardly funding!
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| ED209 wrote: |
| And if evolution is a religion then government owes science a huge tax rebate. |
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science gets BILLIONS! for research ! BILLIONS!!
spiritualism doesn't..
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| uberscheisse wrote: |
show me a western government that doesn't give tax-free status to churches. |
wow you must of went to a cool school, at my school
Buddhism , yoga, zen, hinduism, taoism, meditation were not taught in class after science and religious studies.
I was never taught how to meditate either..
tax breaks is hardly funding!
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i'm not sure which point you're trying to argue against here. i never mentioned any of those religions.
but think of the constant income organized religion gets in the form of tithes, collection plate income, fundraising and that annoying "please give me money or god's liable to strike me down on air, please tune in for proof next week." and then consider that it is not subject to the same shit we are.
that's a lot of money. if you're canadian, sometimes it's almost 50% of your earnings. a researcher still pays tax. churches get a pass. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| you have some serious hate on for religion I suggest you take it up your therapist! |
You are buying a pig in a poke.
A therapist might agree with every word I say.
Psychiatrists are the least religious of all medical specialists:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/health/18insi.html
Psychologist Albert Ellis wrote a book entitled Case Against Religion.
Sigmund Freud wrote that religion was "an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires." |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
Your post made little sense. I'm only going to deal with this:
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There was less negativity around them in those times [1000-3000 years ago] so it was possible to achieve enlightenment... philosophy shows us this...
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You claim philosophy shows us people were less negative than they are today during what historians often refer to as "The Dark Ages". I think I need to see some evidence. |
I think you need a history lesson! The dark ages as what you speak of was in the west around 1500 years ago... why dont you go back and read what I wrote and try to see what I am saying.. I never said the west either!
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You might want to check your dates. According to most historians the dark ages just ended almost exactly 1000 years ago.
Please enlighten us then. Where were you talking about?
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Negativity in the sense of main stream media polluting the mind.
More and more information being sent through the brain that needs to be filtered... in those days it was a much simplier time.
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Yeah, and your average life expectancy was something like 30 years, and that's probably being generous. You'd likely be dead. I'd likely be dead.
| itaewonguy wrote: |
Maybe that�s why the greatest philosophers, gurus,
yogis, Buddhists , scholars etc spent all day meditating mastering their craft!
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Because there was no mainstream media? I'd like to think they were doing it for nobler reasons.
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Example..
someone like Luis Armstrong the GREATEST horn player ever! Jazz musician etc... You think he become that good by doing nothing?
NO he practiced and played 6-7 hours a day everyday for YEARS!!
Devotion, passion! And without doubt!
A spiritualist/philosopher etc in those days did just that! Spent his life devoted to the mind! They know things and have experienced things which we cannot comprehend! but becuase its the unknown people just discard it. is a natural human reaction..
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I'm not sure how you "discard the unknown" exactly since you don't know it in the first place, but reason aside, if I catch your drift you're saying less people are spiritual because of some natural tendency to deny spirituality. Why then, as you've informed us before, do the religious outnumber those who aren't? And if it is a natural tendency then why didn't the human race do it hundreds if not thousands of years ago?
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We listen to the monk or bb king and say to ourselves! What are they saying?? We don�t know because we have not elevated to that level! BUT It sounds rich though! And we can�t deny that!
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Their ability to express themselves amazes me. Their feelings show in their music, and while we might not perfectly understand, the fact we can relate to them is indicative of their genius.
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I�m not saying the individual people in those days did not see any negativity of course they did! That�s what made them great, that�s what gave them balance... you are just picking on my words now!
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Call the waaaahhhmbulance. Please tell me how I'm "picking on your words" in the post quoted at the top of this.
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Listen dude! If you want to live your life pessimistic and not want to even try anything before you discard it, go for it, it�s your life and you have that right!
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Where did you get that from? I just asked you for some proof of your claim that people were less negative 1000-3000 years ago. I think you're projecting.
| itaewonguy wrote: |
There is nothing or no one in this world that will open your mind to try and see something. It�s ok to be xenophobic hey I�m sure coming to Korea for the first time was a huge event for you but you over came it...
The unknown doesn�t have to be freighting, embrace it, take your time and read little day by day, and then you might see how some of the greatest minds of the past knew more than you when it came to spiritual and/or psychophysical practices. It has survived this long because it�s a proven fact! IT WORKS!!!
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Are you trying to convert me by making baseless accusations or just trying to get a rise out of me? Pretty pathetic either way.
| itaewonguy wrote: |
Unfortunately for you it�s impossible for you to ever see it. As you doubt it!
You don't understand the philosophy and that�s ok chit I don�t understand most of it either... but I embrace it where as you discard it as rubbish.
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Please tell me where I discarded whatever philosophy you're talking about as rubbish. You're seriously not making any sense at all.
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And it�s normal for someone to discard it and call BS when one doesn�t understand something it�s a human reaction for saving face...
Instead of approaching everything in life as negative why don�t you research it a little and then ask some questions. Hey I don�t know all to know about evolution but I asked questions. And what did I find? I found that even evolutionis | | | |
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