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irwinpryce



Joined: 30 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: work hours Reply with quote

Hi,
I am currently doing 41 hours a week in a kindergarten hagwon. However less than 30 of those hours are actually spent teaching. The rest is 'prep time.'

I was told that the work hours were 10-6 in an email which came with my contract, however I am basically fed up with the job and am not enjoying teaching at Kindergarten level. Therefore I would rather do less hours.

My contract states,

"he workday of the Employee starts on Monday and ends on Friday, 120 hours per month. Daily teaching hours are 6 hours per day. However working hours is flexible in accordance with the institution�s schedule and in this case both parties must mutually agree."

Do I have the right to refuse to work more than 30 hours a week including prep time?

Thanks
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wings



Joined: 09 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like your classroom hours would be 6 hours a day, without prep. Prep time will be on top of that, but I"m not sure the school can make you stay on site while you plan your classes.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Re: work hours Reply with quote

irwinpryce wrote:


Do I have the right to refuse to work more than 30 hours a week including prep time?



No, but you can try.
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're teaching for 30 hours and putting in 11 hours of prep time.

So basically you are putting in 1 extra hour on top of your 10-6 contract that you signed. If you're planning to tell them you don't want to work that extra hour I think that's a little strange.

I think your main issue is that you don't like your job.
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irwinpryce



Joined: 30 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, i don't like my job, and it annoys me when I meet other foreign teachers who work 30 houyrs a week, with no 'prep time.'

However there is nothing in my contract that says I have to work 10-6, its not actually written in the contract.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

irwinpryce wrote:
True, i don't like my job, and it annoys me when I meet other foreign teachers who work 30 houyrs a week, with no 'prep time.'


What do you actually do during 'prep time'?

My friend has to be at work for like 2 hours less than I do, but she has more teaching hours and harder classes. We can't decide whose job is actually better. No job is perfect.
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irwinpryce



Joined: 30 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
irwinpryce wrote:
True, i don't like my job, and it annoys me when I meet other foreign teachers who work 30 houyrs a week, with no 'prep time.'


What do you actually do during 'prep time'?

My friend has to be at work for like 2 hours less than I do, but she has more teaching hours and harder classes. We can't decide whose job is actually better. No job is perfect.


Not much, write plans, make resources etc. However I spend a great deal of the time pretending to do work.

Obviousy I would rather not be there, and am frustrated with their ways of doing business, e.g. my pay is currently late.

Sorry to be a pest but can we revert to the original question as I want to go ahead with refusing to be in the school for more than 30 hours.

As I have said above, its not in my contract, however they want me to work 40hours. Does anyone have any advice, am I in the right? How should I go about this?
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why bother pretending to work?
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jbpatlanta



Joined: 02 Jun 2007
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Why bother pretending to work?


When I worked at a hagwon like that we had to be at work at 9:30. Class was from 9:45 until 12:40 then 3:00 to 6:00. They told us that we had to be on site all day. We were supposed to only take 30 mintues for lunch. The rest of the time was "prep" time.

I never paid attention to lunch time. Sometimes I took 30 min sometime 2 hours. When I was in the office before class and between class, I read novels or played Playstation. Boss did not like it but what can he do?
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irwinpryce



Joined: 30 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bump


I really need more advice on this, as I emailed my recruiter to point this out. She emailed back twisting the question, basically repeating the quote of the contract. I am now up to 30 hours a week, due to my employer adding phone calls to my schedule. I need to know if I am entitled to leave an hour earlier each day.

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TheChickenLover



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: The Chicken Coop

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are unhappy with your current school, then quit.

Leave, go destress yourself & return smarter & hopefully wider of the pitfalls of the world of hogwans.

Don't feel sorry for your school, they don't care at all for you. You are merely a tool to make money with.

Chicken
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^^ what he said....
A) put up and shut up or
B) get out.

Pick one.

It isn't rocket science.

Hit the 6 month mark so you are not responsible for airfare (unless you signed a really bad contract),
buy a ticket to your favorite tropical beach place,
go to immigration and tell them you quit,
hand in your ARC,
get your exit order,
leave the country,
de-stress for a month

then


come back and get a new job (hopefully wiser than the 1st time).

Oh, and learn the magic word.... "NO". It works wonders.

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maddog



Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Re: work hours Reply with quote

irwinpryce wrote:

I am currently doing 41 hours a week in a kindergarten hagwon.


There's the problem. You just described most EFL/ESL teachers' vision of hell. As a kindy teacher, you're nothing more than a baby-sitter. In my first job, I had to teach 3 40-minute kindy classes from 10am til midday. I hated EVERY second of it.

Get out after the six month mark, i.e. hand in your notice at the five month mark. Spend a month or so in SE Asia, search for jobs and get your docs together, then come back.
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