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Negotiating K-teacher's hourly rate

 
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Eedoryeong



Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:34 am    Post subject: Negotiating K-teacher's hourly rate Reply with quote

We're about to help negotiate the rate for a Korean to teach at a hakwon and we're trying to find the going rate for a Korean teacher running a young English learners program (grades 1,2,3).

In my estimation the positives and negatives weighing in on the final rate:
+ bringing a successful program
+ director already stated she's a great teacher
+ small area, very hard to get any teachers let alone good teachers

- small area also means less students? The program still has to pay for itself.
- Korean bias against their own, even well-suited Koreans

I'm thinking it'll be 25K/hr. Dreamland or low-balling it?
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fortysixyou



Joined: 08 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you talking by the hour or by the class?

I know a dude whose K-wife gets 35,000 a class, but she's got the good TOEFL score and experience.
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teachteach



Joined: 26 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

25/k an hour would be more than the $17 per hour most waygooks make.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most K-teachers (teaching English to young learners in a hakwon) max out at about 12-15k per (class) hour.

IF they are new to teaching, 1 mil per month is the normal starting wage and most are very happy when they finally get up to 1.6 mil per month.

25k per hour is unrealistic in a FLI setting. You can ask for it but don't be surprised when she doesn't get a job.

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Sapa



Joined: 05 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so does that mean in most hagwons the foreign teachers are earning more than the korean ones?
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think many of us realize just how much work the Korean teachers at hagwons gotta do. They have to call every students parents. It doesn't matter if no one picks up the phone, you have to keep calling 24/7 until you talk to them.

On top o f that, they have to deal what the bitching parents have about children.


I'd say, pay your Korean teacher the same as a Foreign teacher, minus the housing. They will spread the word that their job is great and the pay is good, and you won't have problems with teachers.

Most hagwons have a revolving door of Korean teachers because the stress is too much for the amount they get paid.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Most K-teachers (teaching English to young learners in a hakwon) max out at about 12-15k per (class) hour.

IF they are new to teaching, 1 mil per month is the normal starting wage and most are very happy when they finally get up to 1.6 mil per month.

25k per hour is unrealistic in a FLI setting. You can ask for it but don't be surprised when she doesn't get a job.

.


QFT

Korea teachers 20h per week -- 1.000.000
40 hours -- 1.500.000

That is the information I got Smile.

Of course these are lower bound wages for 0 experience and just out of school teachers.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sapa wrote:
so does that mean in most hagwons the foreign teachers are earning more than the korean ones?


LOL

Are you trying to be sarcastic?
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Eedoryeong



Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi and thanks everyone

well in this case the K-teacher is experienced and has taught before both in public school and in a hakwon. She'd be hired for 4 or 5 hours a day, and only to teach and prepare. Calling parents, translating for the foreign teacher and other administrative office duties (that are normally unloaded on Korean female employees in a hakwon office) will not be part of the job.

Also, the director is offering to take over the class during her maternity leave (she's pregnant. As I understand it, Korean mothers-to-be usually do not get hired for work) if she returns after what would in a public school considered to be maternity leave. So I'm guessing that he knows the teacher is good.

4 hours a day for 5 days a week. I'm thinking we're probably going to suggest 25K. That's 2 mill a month.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eedoryeong wrote:
Hi and thanks everyone

well in this case the K-teacher is experienced and has taught before both in public school and in a hakwon. She'd be hired for 4 or 5 hours a day, and only to teach and prepare. Calling parents, translating for the foreign teacher and other administrative office duties (that are normally unloaded on Korean female employees in a hakwon office) will not be part of the job.

Also, the director is offering to take over the class during her maternity leave (she's pregnant. As I understand it, Korean mothers-to-be usually do not get hired for work) if she returns after what would in a public school considered to be maternity leave. So I'm guessing that he knows the teacher is good.

4 hours a day for 5 days a week. I'm thinking we're probably going to suggest 25K. That's 2 mill a month.


I think this is a fair amount.. Very Happy
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i4NI



Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fortysixyou wrote:
Are you talking by the hour or by the class?

I know a dude whose K-wife gets 35,000 a class, but she's got the good TOEFL score and experience.

Sounds way too high for a non native speaker. WTF
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livinginkunsan



Joined: 02 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i4NI wrote:
fortysixyou wrote:
Are you talking by the hour or by the class?

I know a dude whose K-wife gets 35,000 a class, but she's got the good TOEFL score and experience.

Sounds way too high for a non native speaker. WTF


Because some people realize that EXPERIENCED Korean teachers who have studied and do well on the TOEFL are sometimes better than native speakers.
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i4NI



Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

livinginkunsan wrote:
i4NI wrote:
fortysixyou wrote:
Are you talking by the hour or by the class?

I know a dude whose K-wife gets 35,000 a class, but she's got the good TOEFL score and experience.

Sounds way too high for a non native speaker. WTF


Because some people realize that EXPERIENCED Korean teachers who have studied and do well on the TOEFL are sometimes better than native speakers.

Experience native teacher > Experienced Korean teacher

Especially at practical English, the non native teacher doesn't stand a chance. The insights as a native speaker can't be learned from a textbook either.
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IlIlNine



Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo

PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

livinginkunsan wrote:
i4NI wrote:
fortysixyou wrote:
Are you talking by the hour or by the class?

I know a dude whose K-wife gets 35,000 a class, but she's got the good TOEFL score and experience.

Sounds way too high for a non native speaker. WTF


Because some people realize that EXPERIENCED Korean teachers who have studied and do well on the TOEFL are sometimes better than native speakers.


<shrug> you can ask it, but doubtful that you'll get it.

If it's a small hagwon in a small area, there's a good chance that it's not making huge amounts of money.

The posts above are right -- barring any foreign experience or anything really prestigious, an average foreign teacher would be making more money than an average Korean teacher. Given that this salary is actually better than salaries that some foreigners make, it'll be a hard sell.
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