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Shakespeare is
The Man.
83%
 83%  [ 26 ]
overrated.
12%
 12%  [ 4 ]
good, but __________ is better.
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
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BreakfastInBed



Joined: 16 Oct 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:26 am    Post subject: Shakespeare Reply with quote

I'm becoming fixated.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Legend!!
They say he smoked pot! Doesn�t surprise me really how else could you conceive the amount of brilliant characters in your head as he did...

An amazing guy truly gifted...
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted 'overrated'. Because he is.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are others I like as much or more, but none that are as accessible today, nor produced the sheer volume of great work. That's not to say that Shakespeare didn't have a few duds, Cymbeline was slow going at best.
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the strength of the sonnets alone, he's The Man.

Jonson and Marlowe are the moons to his Sun.
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MollyBloom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that he was a genius. The wonderful thing about him is that really not too much is known about his personal life, except his family and his acquaintances with Marlowe and other contemporaries, so critics always have lot of things to write about.

I have to say that I honestly enjoy all of his works, even his sonnets, because there is so much to everything he writes!

Last year I took this class called Shakespeare and Modern Culture. My professor, Marjorie Garber, is one of the world's best Shax scholars out there, and she based the class around how Shax shaped modernity and how modernity shaped Shax. It's amazing when you think about it how often times you will know a quote without realizing it came from Shax. Then you see the play where it is quoted, and you realize," Ah! That's where that came from!" It's worth it to look up Marjorie Garber, so I encourage people who love Shakespeare to do so. If you are looking for a good supplementary guide to all of his plays, Garber wrote a book called Shakespeare After All.

My favorites: Hamlet, King Lear, Measure for Measure, Pericles, The Merchant of Venice, Titus Andronicus, Troilus and Cressida, Richard III, Antony and Cleopatra, Henry V (sorry..hard for me to pick ONE)


Do you prefer Elizabethan or Jacobean Shakespeare?



P.s. I do want to add, thought, that Marlowe's Dr. Faustus was AWESOME.
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BreakfastInBed



Joined: 16 Oct 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ordered the Garber book from Amazon last week. That must have been a great class. I'm not to the point that I have a favorite period of Shakespeare. I've been through the complete works once and many of the major plays numerous times. He really does feel inexhaustable. I'm gearing up to start working through them all again with a bit more focus and lots more supplementary material this time.

The big favorites that first spring to mind have to be King Lear, Hamlet, Macbeth, As You Like It, and the two parts of Henry IV. Can't escape Falstaff.
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the boy next door



Joined: 08 Jun 2008
Location: next door

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

existential Shakespeare at its best, baby...this insignificant thread is sheer testimony to the man / woman's? immotality...

as an undergraduate creative writing major and English drama minor, i performed in a variety of Shakespearean plays in the park... if a native of Montreal and an alumni of McGill U. you may have seen my histronic handsome ass wooing the bilingual masses on a hot summer night's elucidated lawn somewhere in La Belle Province...

anyhoot, i have always bought into the theory that Shakespeare wasn't Shakespeare but in fact Edward de Vere, the 17th Earl of Oxford...it's a lengthy tale but only those trusting that The Bard was actually Queen Elizabeth I would disagree...(i also buy into the notion that Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford was in reality Queen Elizabeth's illegitimate son but that's another existential Shakespearean thread, n'est-ce pas?)
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I voted 'overrated'. Because he is.


No he isn't. Some of his plays are overrated. But take his top 10, or even top 5 plays, and those are some of the best pieces written in the English language.

P.S. Theories on who Shakespeare actually was kind of bore me and sometimes even irritate me. Shakespeare was the guy(s) who wrote the plays bearing Shakespeare's name. Just like Homer was the guy(s) who wrote the epics bearing his name.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No he isn't.


Yes, he is. I'm not saying he isn't very good, just not as good as his reputation. No one is as good as Shakespeare's reputation. Not even Shakespeare.

There is a terrific social history book, "A Year in the Life of William Shakespeare: 1599" by James Shapiro that I would recommend, though. From the back cover: Shakespeare wrote four of his most famous plays: Henry the Fifth, Julius Caesar, As You Like It, and, most remarkably, Hamlet; Elizabethans sent off an army to crush an Irish rebellion, weathered an Armada threat from Spain, gambled on a fledgling East India Company, and waited to see who would succeed their aging and childless queen.

James Shapiro illuminates both Shakespeare's staggering achievement and what Elizabethans experienced in the course of 1599, bringing together the news and the intrigue of the times with a wonderful evocation of how Shakespeare worked as an actor, businessman, and playwright. The result is an exceptionally immediate and gripping account of an inspiring moment in history.
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PBRstreetgang21



Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think not all, but a lot of "he is overrated" opinions that crop up trend to originate from fatigue as much as anything else.

I think if someone where to lock all of Shakespeare's works away for a hundered years and then bring them back out with fresh eyes and ears people would probably be in awe.
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Czarjorge



Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure to check it all out. The big stuff like MacBeth (which I think is a bit overrated) and Hamlet (which is so good it can never be lauded enough) is worth reading, but so is the 'lesser' stuff. Titus is one of my favorites.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've enjoyed many other writers more than Shakey, but his prolific output of quality material marks him out as 'The Man'.
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hossenfeffer



Joined: 07 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote my master's thesis on Machiavelli's influence on Shakespeare's Henriad (Henry IV Parts 1 and 2, Richard II, and Henry V). Saying that Shakespeare is "overrated" is like saying that Mozart is "overrated."
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BreakfastInBed



Joined: 16 Oct 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do

PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I'm not saying he isn't very good, just not as good as his reputation. No one is as good as Shakespeare's reputation. Not even Shakespeare.

I follow you. Seems like a reasonable, defensible position. Then I try to think of Shakespeare's nearest rival and all the extravagant praise seems justified. Tough call.

PBRstreetgang21 wrote:
I think if someone where to lock all of Shakespeare's works away for a hundered years and then bring them back out with fresh eyes and ears people would probably be in awe.
I agree.

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