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summer33ny
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 Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: Schools not paying one-way airfare anymore??? |
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| I am looking into Yeosu and it seems as if the 2 main recruiters there are requiring teachers to pay their way there (and then be reimbursed upon arrival). We have friends there you have never had to lay out money for airfare. Is this becoming common practice through out Korea? |
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Tobias
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Probably so |
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| Probably so. Air travel has become expensive, and providing a new-hire teacher with an expensive plane ticket is rather risky. Better to reimburse him after he gets here and has endured a month. I know I'd be giving reimbursements, not tickets. Eating air fares can drive one's outfit into the ground or force increases in tuition. And a reimbursement is much more attractive than nothing at all. Take your pick. |
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| If they do pay upfront to get you over to Korea, then the job has a higher chance of being crap or much harder than need be. That director will probably act like she/he owns you and will push your buttons to see if they can get over on you, that is use you. |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| sojourner1 wrote: |
| If they do pay upfront to get you over to Korea, then the job has a higher chance of being crap or much harder than need be. That director will probably act like she/he owns you and will push your buttons to see if they can get over on you, that is use you. |
Where do you get this from? What power would the director have over you? Seems like they would have more power having you pay for the ticket since that would be a million+ that is owed to the teacher.
With that said, I agree with Dexter. |
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Tobias
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: Can you make this leap? |
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| sojourner1 wrote: |
| If they do pay upfront to get you over to Korea, then the job has a higher chance of being crap or much harder than need be. That director will probably act like she/he owns you and will push your buttons to see if they can get over on you, that is use you. |
Can we make this leap?
"If the outfit wants to send me a ticket, the higher-ups there have no business sense, and the place is probably in economic shambles."
I think we can deduce this, sure. Anyone who will blindly buy someone a plane ticket in this day and age is somebody who doesn't understand the nature of risk. He probably doesn't understand many other things about running a HogPile, English department, school, whatever.
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Been There, Taught That
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Can you make this leap? |
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Can we make this leap?
"If the outfit wants to send me a ticket, the higher-ups there have no business sense, and the place is probably in economic shambles."
I think we can deduce this, sure. Anyone who will blindly buy someone a plane ticket in this day and age is somebody who doesn't understand the nature of risk. He probably doesn't understand many other things about running a HogPile, English department, school, whatever. |
I don't see it following uneqivocally.
Do you mean that the period from appr. 1996 up to some recent time in the past hasn't been part of this day and age? I mean, 1. risk has always been, 2. schools/hagwons/foreign teacher-employing places have never exactly paid rock-bottom prices to drag our a$$e$ over to their attempt at an educational facility, and 3. Some do it because they can. They make money, and our presence makes it possible. So the ones who want you in their beds will put out. The risk needs to be handled in the credentials and background dept., not in airfare--which is probably THE factor, after working income, that brings in the crowds in the first place. It did me in 2001, and, whether I can afford my own or not, I'll look for paid over reimbursed when I come back. That's my way of controlling risk--that part of it, anyway. |
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Oliver
Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: Schools not paying one-way airfare anymore??? |
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| summer33ny wrote: |
| I am looking into Yeosu and it seems as if the 2 main recruiters there are requiring teachers to pay their way there (and then be reimbursed upon arrival). We have friends there you have never had to lay out money for airfare. Is this becoming common practice through out Korea? |
It is difficult to say if this is common practice in Korea as I have no experience or in depth knowledge of the industry. However, based on my experiences thus far I have had no problems with recruiters offering to pay airplane tickets. Moreover, I am off to Yeosu through a recruiter who not only seems very friendly, but is paying for my ticket there. The school in which I am teaching will be paying my ticket home when the year is up.
Whethar or not I can generalize about supply and demand issues or issues of risk I do not know. I can say that the most timely and annoying stage of the job quest was the visa process which involved a long trip to London from North East Scotland. The trip wasn't so bad, just the cost, being a student.
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Oliver
Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Can you make this leap? |
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| Tobias wrote: |
| ... Anyone who will blindly buy someone a plane ticket in this day and age is somebody who doesn't understand the nature of risk. He probably doesn't understand many other things about running a HogPile, English department, school, whatever. |
Three points,
1) I think blindly is too strong a word. In my opinion it underestimates the effort at this end that the teacher has to go through (i.e. crb check, visas etc, other bureaucratic stuff).
2) What do you mean by the nature of risk?
3) It is very difficult to make a link between a school or educational outfit paying for an aeroplane ticket to korea and the school owner being poor at running the place. So can you again clarify what you mean by this?
I think ttompatz input is needed here.
Cheers.
Ollie
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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The day they quit paying for people's flights over here is the day that Korea will have to accept any non native english speaker for even the cush university positions.
Newsflash - most expats coming here to teach have little more than a pot top piss in or a window to throw it out and that usually doesn't include $2000 to throw down on a ticket to the ROK let alone money to get through the first month here. |
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Oliver
Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| oskinny1 wrote: |
| Seems like they would have more power [over you] by having you pay for the ticket since that would be a million+ [won] that is owed to the teacher. |
Are you suggesting that a richer school has more sense in recruiting a degree holder who will not pay upront for the ticket than a degree holder who will pay upfront? |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I have no problem w/ paying my own airfare but it must state in the contract that I'm to be reimbursed within one week on arrival in ROK. |
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Oliver
Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| spliff wrote: |
| I have no problem w/ paying my own airfare but it must state in the contract that I'm to be reimbursed within one week on arrival in ROK. |
This is a crucial point which I didn't spell out in my third post in this thread. |
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Oliver
Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| xingyiman wrote: |
The day they quit paying for people's flights over here is the day that Korea will have to accept any non native english speaker for even the cush university positions.
Newsflash - most expats coming here to teach have little more than a pot top piss in or a window to throw it out and that usually doesn't include $2000 to throw down on a ticket to the ROK let alone money to get through the first month here. |
Are flights a big pull factor for even University jobs? Are you saying demand, even for the cush jobs, outweighs supply?
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xingyiman
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Oliver wrote: |
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The day they quit paying for people's flights over here is the day that Korea will have to accept any non native english speaker for even the cush university positions.
Newsflash - most expats coming here to teach have little more than a pot top piss in or a window to throw it out and that usually doesn't include $2000 to throw down on a ticket to the ROK let alone money to get through the first month here. |
Are flights a big pull factor for even University jobs? Are you saying demand, even for the cush jobs, outweighs supply?
Ollie |
No, I am just saying that if airfare would be removed from the contracts it would have a devastating effect nationwide on all aspects of supply and demand from the industry. Look what happened with the E-2 regs. |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Oliver wrote: |
| oskinny1 wrote: |
| Seems like they would have more power [over you] by having you pay for the ticket since that would be a million+ [won] that is owed to the teacher. |
Are you suggesting that a richer school has more sense in recruiting a degree holder who will not pay upront for the ticket than a degree holder who will pay upfront? |
I am only saying that if you (the teacher) come and are owed a lot of money, you will put up with a lot more cr ap than maybe someone who already had their ticket paid for. |
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