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ieatsmurfs6
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 Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: Applying for BEd in Canada/US, does Korea experience help??? |
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I'm going to start at a public middle school next month. i was wondering about whether or not this experience will aide me apply for an education programme in Canada or America starting possibly in the spring of 2010.
the problem is that my GPA during my BA was not stellar. my GPA worked out to 2.73, which is only six points higher than most of the minimum requirements for BEd programmes at well known canadian institutions. there is a few reasons why it was so terribly low, some were my fault and others weren't. having a professor that gave me an F when I should've had a B and not being able to appeal because of his tenure didn't help.
that being said, will teaching in a public middle school for a year in korea and having a year of hagwon experience under my belt help me get into a BEd program? or is it strictly tied in with your GPA?
i have CELTA too. don't think this would matter though.
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Yu_Bum_suk
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Yu_Bum_suk
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ieatsmurfs6
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no what?? was twice necessary..? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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no what?? was twice necessary..? |
It was such a profound point that I felt I had to make it twice (actually my computer blanked, I hit refresh, and it made two posts).
At any rate, the answer is no, your experience here will be of no use whatsoever to get into a BEd or education certificate programme in North America. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Applying for BEd in Canada/US, does Korea experience hel |
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| ieatsmurfs6 wrote: |
I'm going to start at a public middle school next month. i was wondering about whether or not this experience will aide me apply for an education programme in Canada or America starting possibly in the spring of 2010.
the problem is that my GPA during my BA was not stellar. my GPA worked out to 2.73, which is only six points higher than most of the minimum requirements for BEd programmes at well known canadian institutions. there is a few reasons why it was so terribly low, some were my fault and others weren't. having a professor that gave me an F when I should've had a B and not being able to appeal because of his tenure didn't help.
that being said, will teaching in a public middle school for a year in korea and having a year of hagwon experience under my belt help me get into a BEd program? or is it strictly tied in with your GPA?
i have CELTA too. don't think this would matter though.
thanks for the information |
Yes, it will help in the admission process.
In most cases admission rankings and eligibility (for a Bachelor of Education�Post Baccalaureate Degree) are determined by a combination of GPA and a personal profile score. (quote)
A year or two of actual classroom experience (especially in a public school in a foreign country) goes a long way in the personal profile part of the process.
The weight of the personal profile can be as high as 60% compared to 40% for your GPA in determining your eligibility (post grad).
This is markedly different from those without a degree who are attempting to gain enrollment in an undergraduate degree B.Ed program.
(Above comments were based on a conversation and answers specifically about this scenario with the B.Ed adviser at Vancouver Island University.)
http://viu.ca/index.asp
Contact the admissions department or Faculty of Education adviser at the school of your particular interest for more specifics or information.
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Taiwantroll
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| Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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In my experience, in Canada, it does help you gain admission to an education program.
Though it can kill you afterward. I came here after I received my B.Ed. thinking that it would be more beneficial to me to come here gain confidence and pay back my student loans before beginning my teaching career in Canada. No employer will touch me now in Canada. I have tried. Who would have known?
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newinseoul
Joined: 22 Sep 2005
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| In Canada, It depends what teacher's college you apply to. There are some colleges that look at both experience and GPA. One example is the University of Ottawa. My GPA was average, but my experience working with children and teaching, helped me to get accepted. Any experience with children (camps, volunteer work) will help you get in. Look at the website for each school you are thinking of applying at, to see if they take experience into account. |
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discostar23
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it totally helps.
In Ontario they use 50% experience and 50% grades
I applied to Maine, my GPA was 2.37 (so i partied alot in school) and I have 5 years experience. I got in no problems. |
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Mr. Pink
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| discostar23 wrote: |
it totally helps.
In Ontario they use 50% experience and 50% grades
I applied to Maine, my GPA was 2.37 (so i partied alot in school) and I have 5 years experience. I got in no problems. |
This is not true at all.
I think a lot of people no clue what helps and doesn't help.
I suggest you check out the specific university requirements of what counts and doesn't count.
http://www.ouac.on.ca/teas/index.html
Check out: the instructional booklet. I believe it is in there that it lists every Ontario university that offers a B.Ed and what their requirements are for entry.
I applied to 6 Ontario universities for B.Ed and only Brock University puts a big weight on job experience. They place 40% of the entrance requirements on having 2 different jobs/volunteer experiences in the classroom. One of those has to fit with one of your teachable subjects. Considering they only needed like 100hours or so for each, it is easy to fulfill that if you work in Korea for a year or two.
I am not going to lie to you: if you don't have stellar academic grades, I am talking at least an 80% average on your top year or two of credits, you won't get into an Ontario university. It is VERY competitive here now to get in.
If you have any questions, you can always PM me. I am doing a B.Ed at Brock atm and so I have done all the applying and I actually know what it takes to get in.
I could suggest you save up a pile of money, and go to Niagara University in Buffalo. They probably have more Canadians than Americans in their program, and I have friends who got in with a B to B+ average. |
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KoreanAmbition
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Teachers in Canada earn a lot of money and get a lot of vacation. Everyone knows it and everyone wants in on the industry.
Getting into a university for a B.Ed is just have the battle. Look at the stats for people trying to get jobs after they are done the degree.
Taiwantroll said that Korean teaching experience hurt him getting a job back in Canada. The only problem is that no one else can get jobs in Canada either. I heard about hundreds of applicants for bottom-of-the-barrel substitute teacher spots that were for like 2 afternoons a week. It's extremely hard to get jobs there now, so I'm not sure if working in Korea can be used as the reason.
Brock has an awesome program, and if you do it through Con-ed then you have the best chance to get in. I know a lot of people who went through that program and were very happy to have taken that route. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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Teachers in Canada earn a lot of money and get a lot of vacation. Everyone knows it and everyone wants in on the industry.
Getting into a university for a B.Ed is just have the battle. Look at the stats for people trying to get jobs after they are done the degree.
Taiwantroll said that Korean teaching experience hurt him getting a job back in Canada. The only problem is that no one else can get jobs in Canada either. I heard about hundreds of applicants for bottom-of-the-barrel substitute teacher spots that were for like 2 afternoons a week. It's extremely hard to get jobs there now, so I'm not sure if working in Korea can be used as the reason.
Brock has an awesome program, and if you do it through Con-ed then you have the best chance to get in. I know a lot of people who went through that program and were very happy to have taken that route. |
I'll give you the stats from the Ontario College of Teachers for 2006:
Provincial average for new teachers (B.Ed holders) getting a job was 4/10 graduates.
Provincial average for new teachers getting a job in a smaller market area 2/10.
Provincial average for new teachers getting a job in the GTA area 5/10
So yes it is a tough racket. However, considering that 80% of your graduating class is going to be under 25, those who have some experience in Korea and can actually apply that in the class room in Canada, you should be able to get interviews.
If you are one of those people in Korea who are just doing it for paying off loans or debts and do a half-assed job at it. Trust me, this profession is NOT for you.
I am not sure if I will get a job at the end of my program. Really it is going to depend on how well I am assessed during my 3 practicums. Teaching here is much different than teaching in Korea. Being able to ace those practicums will go a long way towards getting interviews, and those are the key to getting jobs.
Last word on the con-ed program at Brock:
It is a 5 year program, so unless you essentially want to re-do your whole university experience, it isn't practical. They get about 3 credits extra of educational type courses than a consecutive B.Ed student (one who already has a degree). From what I have seen so far, they had to work WAY less to stay in their program than those who got in as consecutive students. As a consecutive student, I needed an above 80% average to get in. They aren't on average as high academically as those who do consecutive, however, they seem to be more comfortable teaching in front of people as they have had more practice. Those coming from Korea should be on the same foot as the con-eds in terms of that...so it really comes down to academics. And from what I hear, those hiring aren't going to care much between those with 85% and those with B+ averages...they want to see how well you teach. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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I'll give you the stats from the Ontario College of Teachers for 2006:
Provincial average for new teachers (B.Ed holders) getting a job was 4/10 graduates.
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And at the secondary school level I'm sure that it was more like 9/10 science and mathematics teachers getting jobs and 2/10 English and social studies teachers getting jobs in rural areas or inner-city Toronto, and practically none in nice suburbs.
I know that for BC I would need to collect X number of hours of volunteer teaching at public schools before I could possibly qualify, *even* if I wanted to study to teach TESL, despite almost four years experience teaching in Korea and a TESOL certificate. And my GPAs were 3.66 and 4.05 respectively.
In any event I'm sure someone as politically incorrect as me wouldn't last long in the BC public school system. |
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newinseoul
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| KoreanAmbition wrote: |
Teachers in Canada earn a lot of money and get a lot of vacation. Everyone knows it and everyone wants in on the industry.
Getting into a university for a B.Ed is just have the battle. Look at the stats for people trying to get jobs after they are done the degree.
Taiwantroll said that Korean teaching experience hurt him getting a job back in Canada. The only problem is that no one else can get jobs in Canada either. I heard about hundreds of applicants for bottom-of-the-barrel substitute teacher spots that were for like 2 afternoons a week. It's extremely hard to get jobs there now, so I'm not sure if working in Korea can be used as the reason.
Brock has an awesome program, and if you do it through Con-ed then you have the best chance to get in. I know a lot of people who went through that program and were very happy to have taken that route. |
If you are a french teacher, you have a better chance of getting a job in Ontario. When I went into the B.Ed I was told that there would be tons of jobs when I got out. That just wasn't the case. Many people got jobs in Toronto area, but that is because there are many boards in that region. I've heard that in the past 5 years that job pool has gotten worse.
Even if you get a job when you graduate, the drop-out rate of beginning teachers is quite high. Teaching is definitely not what it used to be. I have many friends that have told me they are burned out after the first year. |
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ieatsmurfs6
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Even if you get a job when you graduate, the drop-out rate of beginning teachers is quite high. Teaching is definitely not what it used to be. I have many friends that have told me they are burned out after the first year. |
is that so??
this thread is very discouraging.... this was something i was really considering and set upon. knowing that even with a degree there isnt much possibility of getting ajob is discouraging...
why would you say teachers burned out so much??? ive never herad of that before. would those same teachers burn out in korea, too? whats different?? they get two months vacation in the summer too!!
in that case, maybe ill just stay in korea. i like it here. i havent had any problems recently and considering going back to canada only because i feel like i should.
what about getting teaching jobs in america?? how is the teachings situationt here??
and what about Hong Kong? i heard you can teach there with a BEd... i also heard the pay was good. also, what about Japan? would it help me there?
thanks for all the help so far! its been great. |
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