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waltjocketty



Joined: 09 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first time I came to Korea, I didn't have my E-2 yet, so I was a tourist until I did my Fukuoka visa run. The point is, MOST teachers did this at some point, and therefore would be considered tourists according to this survey. I call hogwash on the survey.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

waltjocketty wrote:
The first time I came to Korea, I didn't have my E-2 yet, so I was a tourist until I did my Fukuoka visa run. The point is, MOST teachers did this at some point, and therefore would be considered tourists according to this survey. I call hogwash on the survey.


Most? I personally met no one who did this. Before you call hogwash you'll need to establish the truth of that claim.
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waltjocketty



Joined: 09 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, my school made everyone do that when I came to Seoul initially. Any job which requires training in Korea beforehand will bring you to Korea as a tourist first. Also, I've known loads of people who spend time in Korea interviewing for jobs in-between contracts, in which case they are registered as tourists.
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here something that would keep Korean tourism down.

It's run entirely by Koreans.

Foreign companies (tourism companies, resorts, guides) are sparse in Korea. The entire thing is pretty much run by Koreans and likely has little contact with outside organizations. With few connections to outside travel agents and tour operators Korea would have a pretty tough time drumming up tourists.

The entire industry in Korea is geared towards Koreans. There is very little geared toward the outside world. There are a few UNESCO wrod heritage sites, bu they are virtually unknown to the outside world, and not well promoted. Hotels are either very pricey, or difficult to find (if you're new to the country). For my first 2 trips to Gyeongju I stayed in the most noticeble places for foreigners, a hostel and the only foreign tourist hotel I've ever seen in Korea. They are the only place I've ever met tourist in Korea...except for the mighty expensive hotels in Seoul (and these folks weren't staying long). I prefer to stay in the sex motels now that are always around the bus or train stations. 40-50 a night, usually really new. In Japan you can find plenty of info when you get off the plane or ferry. In Korea you can choose from a few over priced hotels. Also there is a distinct lack of guided services, food other than Korean food, or McD's, and many sites Koreans deem to be great places to visit really aren't interesting to your average westerner.
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kingplaya4



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would guess these threads were started as a backhanded way of criticizing Korea. Which is fine by me. But let's be fair, Koreans could be the most welcoming kind people in the world and they still wouldn't get many western tourists.

They've got mountains, but these are generally less impressive than the rolling hills of the Appalachians. Their buildings are more for function than form, as a result of their past history. I haven't been to that many beaches here, but what I did see were fairly clean, but not particularly scenic. If Korea could be moved 20 degress in latitude towards the south, I think you would find far more tourists.

I think if Korea pursued a policy of trying to be the leader in new green technologies and improving the scenery of their cities it could be a more popular destination, but I think at best it would be a must see for a day or two on the way to China or Japan.
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got told by my recruiter to say I was a tourist the first time I came to Korea. I flew over then did the visa run.

The airport check-in guy did ask me and I answered as coached by the recruiter. He actually said "Korea???? Really? What for?"
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadebugo1 wrote:
I should have added this before:

Number of visitors for 2007


Somethings seriously wrong with your list.

From the US Office of Travel and Tourism Industries,
http://tinet.ita.doc.gov/

In 2007 Korea ranked 15 overall in the world with 687,000 travelers from the US. That's 6th is Asia behind Japan, China, India, Hong Kong, and Taiwan.

Your numbers:
Quote:
1 China 1,710,292
2 Japan 815,882
3 India 696,739
4 Thailand 681,972
5 Phillipines 578,983
6 Vietnam 412,301


The numbers I find:
1 Japan 1,718,000
2 China 1,374,000
3 India 999,000
4 Hong Kong 968,000
5 Taiwan 687,000
6 Korea 687,000
7 Thailand 468,000
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Poemer



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Mullae

PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the cursory glance I gave the site you linked to, it looks like those numbers are arrived at by counting every US citizen who flew to Korea. That would include people like me who flew over here looking for work. It is clearly not useful to count people like me as a tourist for the purposes of comparing the tourist industries of different countries.
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea needs to get some kind of "wacky weird" city infrastructure to get tourism, because it doesn't have touristy kinds of attractions (beaches, historical sites, etc). It has some really picturesque countryside, but that won't get them over in droves when there's China and Japan with pretty much the same stuff.

The massive amounts of xenophobia don't help either.
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poemer wrote:
From the cursory glance I gave the site you linked to, it looks like those numbers are arrived at by counting every US citizen who flew to Korea. That would include people like me who flew over here looking for work. It is clearly not useful to count people like me as a tourist for the purposes of comparing the tourist industries of different countries.


I doubt that will make a substantial impact on the numbers.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jkelly80 wrote:
Korea needs to get some kind of "wacky weird" city infrastructure to get tourism, because it doesn't have touristy kinds of attractions (beaches, historical sites, etc). It has some really picturesque countryside, but that won't get them over in droves when there's China and Japan with pretty much the same stuff.

The massive amounts of xenophobia don't help either.


I dunno. As ESL teachers we see a different Seoul. As a tourist I saw nothing but friendly people who bent over backwards to make sure a tourist got where he wanted to go. One merely had to look lost and a Korean would materialize out of no where to offer help in good english. I found in Osaka and Sapporo that not to be the case. It was mostly other foreigners who helped me get where I wanted to go.

Joe on the SeoulPodcast makes the point Seoul needs a "weenie". Paris has the Eiffel tower, New York the Empire State building, Florida has Disney.
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Poemer



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Mullae

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

huffdaddy wrote:
Poemer wrote:
From the cursory glance I gave the site you linked to, it looks like those numbers are arrived at by counting every US citizen who flew to Korea. That would include people like me who flew over here looking for work. It is clearly not useful to count people like me as a tourist for the purposes of comparing the tourist industries of different countries.


I doubt that will make a substantial impact on the numbers.


That US Gov't site appears to be counting travel for ALL purposes to the various countries listed. ESL teachers, businessmen and ethnic Koreans visiting family are not tourists and were not counted as tourists in the other ranking. I do not doubt that that is the reason why there is such a large discrepancy between the sets of numbers. Conde Nast, it seems, was counting people who are really tourists, people who don't have any other connection to/interest in the country other than a desire to spend their vacation there.
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poemer wrote:
That US Gov't site appears to be counting travel for ALL purposes to the various countries listed. ESL teachers, businessmen and ethnic Koreans visiting family are not tourists and were not counted as tourists in the other ranking. I do not doubt that that is the reason why there is such a large discrepancy between the sets of numbers. Conde Nast, it seems, was counting people who are really tourists, people who don't have any other connection to/interest in the country other than a desire to spend their vacation there.


Use your brain. Do you really think there were less than 5,000 tourists from the US to Korea in 2007? Either the data from Conde Nast was misrepresented or the magazine made an error. Sheesh.
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