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What do you do with rude/insubordinate students?
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mmarshalynne



Joined: 23 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: What do you do with rude/insubordinate students? Reply with quote

Yesterday, I had three new girls in a class that previously had been all boys. One of the boys, the brightest student in the class, started acting like a jerk. When I asked the students to take out their books, he said, �I can't understand what you are saying.� For 2 months he has understood perfectly. I showed him the book and asked that he take it out. Meanwhile he continued to jabber to the girls in Korean. Twice more I asked him to take the book out and begin writing his vocabulary words. He refused. He said to me, "I can't understand your English." Talked Korean to the girls and laughed. I told him that he was usually a good student that I didn't expect him to act this way, and to take out his book. I spoke carefully and slowly as he was claiming not to understand my English. Finally, I told him to get his book, and he could sit alone in the room next door and do his vocabulary. At this point, he got out his book immediately. I walked him to the room next door and he demanded a Korean teacher to talk to. I went and got one and explained what happened. She talked to him and said to me that I talked too fast; thus, he could not understand me. I told her that is not true. He understood but was trying to appear clever in front of the girls. I told her that normally he is good student and that I like him, but that I was ashamed of his behavior. She stated this to him and he began balling. Now, I feel like a jerk. How should I handle these students? I would rather handle things in less confrontational ways, and I also know my boss will be angry that I made a student unhappy. These situations come up occasionally and I know there is a better way to handle them, but I just don�t know what it is.
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kprrok



Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 strikes they're out. If they don't want to follow your directs after 3 times when you KNOW they understand the directions, toss them out in the hall. With some students, I only give 2 strikes.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K-guys like to show off in front of the gals.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You did fine, but he guilted you. Sucker. Don't let them get you that way.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:48 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you do with rude/insubordinate students? Reply with quote

mmarshalynne wrote:
How should I handle these students?
I also know my boss will be angry that I made a student unhappy.

Keep doing what you're doing.
Tough crap... it's either an unhappy student (get the waaaahmbulance) or an unhappy and angry teacher.
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I`ve encountered brats like that before. Tell your coteacher or boss before the student escalates things and makes you look bad.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
You did fine, but he guilted you. Sucker. Don't let them get you that way.


Bingo.
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Easter Clark



Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a student starts crying because of something you said or did, just ignore them. Then if they really go to town, applaud them for being such a good actor or actress. Don't let it disrupt your lesson too much though. If they don't shut up, send 'em outside.
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logan2003



Joined: 20 May 2003

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xuanzang wrote:
I`ve encountered brats like that before. Tell your coteacher or boss before the student escalates things and makes you look bad.


I can not agree more...in the 8 years i have been teaching...this is the best way of avoiding issues in the future. I like the way you said that you lik him but his behavior ashamed you. Much better than, he is acting like an ass or something worse. He felt bad because of what he did after hearing you say that!
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EzeWong



Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First I'd like to say, I feel for your situation. It sucks when your star student becomes your worst enemy... (ie. darth vader)

Anyways, I had the same situation today. And I narrowly escaped it.

Theres this student who is normally pretty good (and I like in one of my classes) but he went on and on, even though I gave him a dirty look, which I regret. I could tell I was extremely pissedoff. It kept getting worse and worse, and I couldn't understand why he couldn't shut up... ESPECIALLY him.

Finally, I had enough and took a moment to be silent, just looking out the window. Class thought I was crazy. But I contemplated that it's not him persay, but the situation that's making him rowdy. I had figured it out... outside there was kids screaming. The noise level outside made the kids hyper inside. SO I realized it wasn't him that was the problem, but the situation made him act like that.

So I purposely gave him a chance to redeem himself. I usually go around to kids who volunteer. Luckily he raised his hand, and because I know he felt like I was angry with him, softened my face up and showed him I will treat him equally despite his bad behavior before.

It worked. He had shut up, was paying attention and continued to be a good student... I was very happy to say the least.

Later the co-teacher explained to me that it was six period on thursday... and I remember other teachers talking about 6th period thursdays... apparnetly at our school this is the time that kids won't listen to you no matter what. So I was right... it really was the situation and not the kids.


I think with your good student, it's the situation. Something must of have happend where he felt that being a jerk is gonna impress these girls. (wow big suprise there). He's obviously hormonal and wants to lay his masculinity for TEH LADIES.

Hopefully, the next time you see him you can start fresh. Just treat him like any other regular day or any other student.

Look at it this way. I wouldn't want people judging my personality on days where I felt like crap, ultra tired, etc. T

Evil behavior under situational analysis resembles Adolf Eichmann: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann
A Nazi, who claimed that teh evil he did was for career advancement. People can do evil things, but it's the incentives and situations that will drive them to do it.
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koreandefence



Joined: 05 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kprrok wrote:
3 strikes they're out. If they don't want to follow your directs after 3 times when you KNOW they understand the directions, toss them out in the hall. With some students, I only give 2 strikes.


This is why ESL teachers should at least do some type of training course on childhood development and possibly a course on equality for all students.

Why give some students 2 chances and some 3? Is it to show that you have favorites, is it because you think children respect teachers with no defineable standards, or is it because you didn't think about the impact this type of miss matched system of governance may have on the students?
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I_Am_The_Kiwi



Joined: 10 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

koreandefence wrote:
kprrok wrote:
3 strikes they're out. If they don't want to follow your directs after 3 times when you KNOW they understand the directions, toss them out in the hall. With some students, I only give 2 strikes.


This is why ESL teachers should at least do some type of training course on childhood development and possibly a course on equality for all students.



As if. I mean in a perfect world yes.

For what we do and what we get paid. No!

Im the same in my class, kids get 3 chances and theyre gone - out in the hall for the rest of the lesson.
If they cant respect the teacher and have a bit of discipline to shut the hell up then get out. I dont need their crap to deal with during a lesson, trying to control 40 kids alone is bad enough.
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joshuahirtle27



Joined: 23 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

REDRUM REDRUM! Sorry... that's just how it feels some time when they won't listen. Something I like to do when they won't show a little respect is to get the ring leader to come up an play teacher. Yesterday I had my middle school class and one of my guys decided to talk constantly while I was talking. I just stopped, looked at him and told him to come to the board and summarize while the student who'd been reading the book before continued.

Every other word he'd ask how to spell something. I just said "you're the teacher you know how to spell all of these words." After a couple of minutes I took back my marker and said, "being the teacher isn't easy is it?" and was met with a vigorous negative head shake and a quiet student for the next 35 minutes.
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skconqueror



Joined: 31 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Re: What do you do with rude/insubordinate students? Reply with quote

Young FRANKenstein wrote:
(get the waaaahmbulance)


This quote is soooooooo last season Rolling Eyes
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: What do you do with rude/insubordinate students? Reply with quote

skconqueror wrote:
Young FRANKenstein wrote:
(get the waaaahmbulance)


This quote is soooooooo last season Rolling Eyes

Yeah, your expression is all the rage these days. Why not go all out and tell me to talk to the hand. Stick your eyeroll.
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