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gangpae
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| I bet you can name a myriad of diseases, and I'm not afraid of any of them because I have constructed myself a bubble in my one room. When I go out I wear a moon suit and make a point of avoiding all foreigners and their risky sexual behavior diseases. Wow Queen Victoria gets antsy about germs and we're living in fear 200 years later. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| gangpae wrote: |
| I bet you can name a myriad of diseases, and I'm not afraid of any of them because I have constructed myself a bubble in my one room. When I go out I wear a moon suit and make a point of avoiding all foreigners and their risky sexual behavior diseases. Wow Queen Victoria gets antsy about germs and we're living in fear 200 years later. |
I really don't see what point you're trying to make. Oh well. |
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gangpae
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| My point is that AIDS is not a disease but rather a neurosis, and I can guarantee you there will never be a vaccine for this neurosis. But keep having 'misery' with it if that's what works for you. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| My point is that AIDS is not a disease but rather a neurosis, and I can guarantee you there will never be a vaccine for this neurosis. But keep having 'misery' with it if that's what works for you. |
A mere claim. What is your scientific evidence?
Some reading:
http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2008/04/hiv_vaccines_time_to_give_up.php |
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Cornfed
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you have any reference to a paper which really does demonstrate "HIV" being isolated and shown to be infectious. It shouldn't be hard to find one if one exists. The leader of the lab would surely have won a Nobel Prize. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081006/wl_nm/us_nobel_medicine_1
Cornfed your goal post has been reached. Do you agree now that HIV has been isolated? |
 From the linked article, they seem to just be awarding Montagnier with a Nobel Prize for his work in begining the AIDS hoax in the 80s. There's no mention of any virus being isolated and shown to be infectious. |
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Cornfed
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm quite sure that there is a very strong link between HIV and a weakened immune system. |
How do you figure? Certainly there isn't a link between most "AIDS-related" diseases and a weakened immune system. People who really do have weakened immune systems suffer a generalized bacterial attack on body tissues and common oportunistic infections like colds and such, yet such a condition is excluded by the CDC is even being and idicator of AIDS. |
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gangpae
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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AIDS = biggest medical malpractice of all time. Why? Incurable Victorian neurotic belief in evilness of humanity. And drop the scientific proof shite, neurotics are experts manufacturing scientific proofs to validate their fears. It's been 25 years of fear mongering, hopefully it's finally coming to an end.
The AIDS neurosis has been a leading killer for the past 25 years. Hopefully, the fact that 0% of ESL instructors in South Korea have HIV antibodies in their blood samples will ease your mind. We are safe from the pandemic here! |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| Cornfed wrote: |
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| Do you have any reference to a paper which really does demonstrate "HIV" being isolated and shown to be infectious. It shouldn't be hard to find one if one exists. The leader of the lab would surely have won a Nobel Prize. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081006/wl_nm/us_nobel_medicine_1
Cornfed your goal post has been reached. Do you agree now that HIV has been isolated? |
From the linked article, they seem to just be awarding Montagnier with a Nobel Prize for his work in begining the AIDS hoax in the 80s. There's no mention of any virus being isolated and shown to be infectious. |
Are you nuts?
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2008/
"for their discovery of human immunodeficiency virus"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6200935
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| gangpae wrote: |
AIDS = biggest medical malpractice of all time. Why? Incurable Victorian neurotic belief in evilness of humanity. And drop the scientific proof shite, neurotics are experts manufacturing scientific proofs to validate their fears. It's been 25 years of fear mongering, hopefully it's finally coming to an end.
The AIDS neurosis has been a leading killer for the past 25 years. Hopefully, the fact that 0% of ESL instructors in South Korea have HIV antibodies in their blood samples will ease your mind. We are safe from the pandemic here! |
You're simply restating claims. I asked you for scientific evidence to back your position. You have none? |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| Cornfed wrote: |
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| I'm quite sure that there is a very strong link between HIV and a weakened immune system. |
How do you figure? |
Maybe because of the decades of extensive scientific evidence? |
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gangpae
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: |
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^^^
Neurotic. |
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Cornfed
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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I've already pointed out upthread that the Gallo paper didn't describe the isolation of any virus. You seem to be a hysteric incapable of assimilating any new information.
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| Maybe because of the decades of extensive scientific evidence? |
There is no such evidence. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Air can not be seen therefore there is no such thing as air. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: |
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I've already pointed out upthread that the Gallo paper didn't describe the isolation of any virus. |
That's weird because the paper is published in a top journal and is called:
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| Detection, isolation, and continuous production of cytopathic retroviruses (HTLV-III) from patients with AIDS and pre-AIDS. |
Are you suggesting one of the most important papers in the history of virology didn't show what it claims to show and virologists have been largely silent about this hoax?
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There is no such evidence. |
Sure there is:
HIV fulfills something as basic as Koch's postulates.
http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/cohen/266-5191-1647a.pdf
http://www.history.nih.gov/NIHInOwnWords/assets/media/pdf/publications/Koch_Postulate.pdf
But sorry I quoted the Gallo paper and not the Montagnier in reference to him winning the nobel prize for the isolation of HIV. Which was your goal post.
Isolation of a T-lymphotropic retrovirus from a patient at risk for acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6189183
Now what problems do you have with the above paper. Why does it claim to have isolated HIV and in your opinion does not demonstrate an isolation of HIV? What is your goal post for HIV isolation? Is it the same goal post used by virologists? If so, could you demonstrate such?
It seems to me your goal post has been reached. A man has been awarded a Nobel for the isolation of HIV. Cornfed, you're now moving your goal post because a single news article does not use the word "isolation"? |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| Cornfed, any problems with the papers cited? |
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