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Gatsby
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McCain and Palin Are Playing With Fire
By Khaled Hosseini
Sunday, October 12, 2008; B05
I prefer to discuss politics through my novels, but I am truly dismayed these days. Twice last week alone, speakers at McCain-Palin rallies have referred to Sen. Barack Obama, with unveiled scorn, as Barack Hussein Obama.
Never mind that this evokes -- and brazenly tries to resurrect -- the unsavory, cruel days of our past that we thought we had left behind. Never mind that such jeers are deeply offensive to millions of peaceful, law-abiding Muslim Americans who must bear the unveiled charge, made by some supporters of Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin, that Obama's middle name makes him someone to distrust -- and, judging by some of the crowd reactions at these rallies, someone to persecute or even kill. As a secular Muslim, I too was offended. Obama's middle name differs from my last name by only two vowels. Does the McCain-Palin campaign view me as a pariah too? Do McCain and Palin think there's something wrong with my name?
But never mind any of that.
The real affront is the lack of firm response from either McCain or Palin. Neither has had the moral courage, when taking the stage, to grasp the microphone, turn to the presenter and, right then and there, denounce the use of Obama's middle name as an insult. Instead, they have simply delivered their stump speeches, lacing into Obama as if nothing out-of-bounds had just happened. The McCain-Palin ticket has given toxic speeches accusing Obama of being a friend of terrorists, then released short, meek repudiations of some of the rough stuff, including McCain's call Friday to "be respectful." Back in February, the Arizona senator apologized for the "disparaging remarks" from a talk-radio host who sneered repeatedly about "Barack Hussein Obama" before a McCain rally. "We will have a respectful debate," McCain insisted afterward. But pretending to douse flames that you are busy fanning does not qualify as straight talk.
What I find most unconscionable is the refusal of the McCain-Palin tandem to publicly condemn the cries of "traitor," "liar," "terrorist" and (worst of all) "kill him!" that could be heard at recent rallies. McCain is perfectly capable of telling hecklers off. But not once did he or his running mate bother to admonish the people yelling these obscene -- and potentially dangerous -- words. They may not have been able to hear the slurs at the rallies, but surely they have had ample time since to get on camera and warn that this sort of ugliness has no place in an election season. But they have not. Simply calling Obama "a decent person" is not enough....
Khaled Hosseini is the author of "The Kite Runner" and "A Thousand Splendid Suns." |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/10/AR2008101002456.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Shameless yet shameful.
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McCain and Palin Are Playing With Fire
By Khaled Hosseini
Sunday, October 12, 2008; B05
I prefer to discuss politics through my novels, but I am truly dismayed these days. Twice last week alone, speakers at McCain-Palin rallies have referred to Sen. Barack Obama, with unveiled scorn, as Barack Hussein Obama.
Never mind that this evokes -- and brazenly tries to resurrect -- the unsavory, cruel days of our past that we thought we had left behind. Never mind that such jeers are deeply offensive to millions of peaceful, law-abiding Muslim Americans who must bear the unveiled charge, made by some supporters of Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin, that Obama's middle name makes him someone to distrust -- and, judging by some of the crowd reactions at these rallies, someone to persecute or even kill. As a secular Muslim, I too was offended. Obama's middle name differs from my last name by only two vowels. Does the McCain-Palin campaign view me as a pariah too? Do McCain and Palin think there's something wrong with my name?
But never mind any of that.
The real affront is the lack of firm response from either McCain or Palin. Neither has had the moral courage, when taking the stage, to grasp the microphone, turn to the presenter and, right then and there, denounce the use of Obama's middle name as an insult. Instead, they have simply delivered their stump speeches, lacing into Obama as if nothing out-of-bounds had just happened. The McCain-Palin ticket has given toxic speeches accusing Obama of being a friend of terrorists, then released short, meek repudiations of some of the rough stuff, including McCain's call Friday to "be respectful." Back in February, the Arizona senator apologized for the "disparaging remarks" from a talk-radio host who sneered repeatedly about "Barack Hussein Obama" before a McCain rally. "We will have a respectful debate," McCain insisted afterward. But pretending to douse flames that you are busy fanning does not qualify as straight talk.
What I find most unconscionable is the refusal of the McCain-Palin tandem to publicly condemn the cries of "traitor," "liar," "terrorist" and (worst of all) "kill him!" that could be heard at recent rallies. McCain is perfectly capable of telling hecklers off. But not once did he or his running mate bother to admonish the people yelling these obscene -- and potentially dangerous -- words. They may not have been able to hear the slurs at the rallies, but surely they have had ample time since to get on camera and warn that this sort of ugliness has no place in an election season. But they have not. Simply calling Obama "a decent person" is not enough....
Khaled Hosseini is the author of "The Kite Runner" and "A Thousand Splendid Suns." |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/10/AR2008101002456.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 |
but if liberals do it it is ok.
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A prominent on stage actress warns Gov. Palin that if she goes to New York City she will get "gang raped". Madoona threatens to "kick her a**" -will the Dems and their surrogates please denounce this incitement? Be even handed, ok?
Thanks for the forum. [email protected] |
Gatsby aren't you the guy who says that all Republicans are klan members.
From what I see you are a left wing version of those you complain about. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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but if liberals do it it is ok.
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Can you supply a link to an example of someone doing like things at an Obama rally? |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Will McCain Do Anything to Win?
By Harold Ford Jr.
Saturday, October 11, 2008; A21
Although our nation's economic house is on fire, John McCain isn't unveiling proposals to put out the fiscal flames. Instead, he is pursuing the presidency by taking the low road, as he and his surrogates attack Barack Obama in harsh, personal terms. It's hard to believe this is the same man who in 2004 said of the Swift-boat attacks against John Kerry: "I deplore this kind of politics. I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable."
In fact, after McCain lost the Republican nomination to George Bush in 2000, he declared that there was a "special place in hell" for the Bush operatives who had run a smear campaign against him. By adopting the same approach against Obama, McCain diminishes his reputation and raises questions about his commitment to fairness and decency....
While I am disappointed in McCain's about-face, I am not surprised. When I ran for the Senate in 2006, my opponent, Bob Corker, also found himself trailing in the October polls. His campaign and the Republican National Committee launched a series of false and vicious character attack ads, including the infamous "call me" ad, in which a scantily clad white woman looked at the camera and said, "Harold, call me."
Every major news organization and independent ad-checking group ruled the ad a smear and deemed it way over the line. But that didn't stop John McCain from coming to Tennessee and campaigning for my opponent while the "call me" ad and other smears were broadcast across the state. Not once did McCain speak out against that ad as he did about the smear against John Kerry. In fact, the first manager he hired for his 2008 presidential campaign was Terry Nelson, the person who produced the "call me" ad. Nelson has such a history of practicing below-the-belt politics that Lee Iacocca, a strong supporter of McCain, wrote in his book "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?": "What does it say about John McCain that he's willing to make that kind of person the head of his team?" |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/10/AR2008101002558.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
In case you don't know it, Harold Ford Jr. is black. He was a rising political star, a la Barack Obama, very articulate, but more handsome. He was a Congressman running for the Senate in Tennessee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Ford
So what does the Grand Old Pentacostal Party do? They run an ad against Ford not on issues, but playing on the centuries old fear of whites that blacks might have sex with or marry white women. This racist smear turned the election, and Ford lost.
The KKK would have been proud. It was a 20th century lynching by television. |
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bangbayed
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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but if liberals do it it is ok.
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Can you supply a link to an example of someone doing like things at an Obama rally? |
No he can't. Just another Joobot programmed response. |
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newteacher
Joined: 31 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Gatsby wrote: |
Shameless yet shameful.
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McCain and Palin Are Playing With Fire
By Khaled Hosseini
Sunday, October 12, 2008; B05
I prefer to discuss politics through my novels, but I am truly dismayed these days. Twice last week alone, speakers at McCain-Palin rallies have referred to Sen. Barack Obama, with unveiled scorn, as Barack Hussein Obama.
Never mind that this evokes -- and brazenly tries to resurrect -- the unsavory, cruel days of our past that we thought we had left behind. Never mind that such jeers are deeply offensive to millions of peaceful, law-abiding Muslim Americans who must bear the unveiled charge, made by some supporters of Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin, that Obama's middle name makes him someone to distrust -- and, judging by some of the crowd reactions at these rallies, someone to persecute or even kill. As a secular Muslim, I too was offended. Obama's middle name differs from my last name by only two vowels. Does the McCain-Palin campaign view me as a pariah too? Do McCain and Palin think there's something wrong with my name?
But never mind any of that.
The real affront is the lack of firm response from either McCain or Palin. Neither has had the moral courage, when taking the stage, to grasp the microphone, turn to the presenter and, right then and there, denounce the use of Obama's middle name as an insult. Instead, they have simply delivered their stump speeches, lacing into Obama as if nothing out-of-bounds had just happened. The McCain-Palin ticket has given toxic speeches accusing Obama of being a friend of terrorists, then released short, meek repudiations of some of the rough stuff, including McCain's call Friday to "be respectful." Back in February, the Arizona senator apologized for the "disparaging remarks" from a talk-radio host who sneered repeatedly about "Barack Hussein Obama" before a McCain rally. "We will have a respectful debate," McCain insisted afterward. But pretending to douse flames that you are busy fanning does not qualify as straight talk.
What I find most unconscionable is the refusal of the McCain-Palin tandem to publicly condemn the cries of "traitor," "liar," "terrorist" and (worst of all) "kill him!" that could be heard at recent rallies. McCain is perfectly capable of telling hecklers off. But not once did he or his running mate bother to admonish the people yelling these obscene -- and potentially dangerous -- words. They may not have been able to hear the slurs at the rallies, but surely they have had ample time since to get on camera and warn that this sort of ugliness has no place in an election season. But they have not. Simply calling Obama "a decent person" is not enough....
Khaled Hosseini is the author of "The Kite Runner" and "A Thousand Splendid Suns." |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/10/AR2008101002456.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 |
but if liberals do it it is ok.
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A prominent on stage actress warns Gov. Palin that if she goes to New York City she will get "gang raped". Madoona threatens to "kick her a**" -will the Dems and their surrogates please denounce this incitement? Be even handed, ok?
Thanks for the forum. [email protected] |
Gatsby aren't you the guy who says that all Republicans are klan members.
From what I see you are a left wing version of those you complain about. |
If you can't see the difference between a hack comedian and a washed up singer making bad jokes, and a vice-presidential candidate inciting racial hatred and stirring up nuts to the point of violence then I feel really sorry for you.
Let me spell it out for you. Madonna would not kick Sarah Palin's ass, she doesn't like her, she acted like a five year old, but she's a rational adult and would not start throwing punches. Sandra Bernhard was making a dumb joke to get headlines because her career has been in the toilet for the last ten years.
The guy who yells "Kill Him" at a Palin rally would actually like to see Obama dead. The nuts who call him a terrorist are actually physically and mentally afraid that he really is a terrorist.
The dems and their surrogates don't denounce what you call Madonna and Bernhard's 'incitement' because they know it's worth about as much as their two careers are at this point. They don't denounce them because they know they're just a couple more hollywood morons trying to get attention.
The guy who yelled "Kill Him" was not just trying to get attention. |
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Gatsby
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: |
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You should listen to some of the stuff McCain supporters had to say while waiting for a McCain rally. And there is a fellow who says to McCain he will not have a child if Obama is elected....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27124691
Even Richard Nixon never stooped quite this low.
McCain is moving the country in precisely the other direction, and is undoing decades of progress on this issue.
Appalling and disgusting.
Can the Rove's Grand Old Pentacostal Party stoop any lower?
You betcha. What they need now is an October surprise.
Now, let's see, what's McCain's strong point?
Terrorism.
If there really is substance to conspiracy theories, cue Osama bin Laden. Or someone pretending to be bin Laden. (Hey, how about a tape endorsing Barack Obama???)
I don't buy into these ideas, but with Rove, anything is possible. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: |
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Let me spell it out for you. Madonna would not kick Sarah Palin's ass, she doesn't like her, she acted like a five year old, but she's a rational adult and would not start throwing punches. Sandra Bernhard was making a dumb joke to get headlines because her career has been in the toilet for the last ten years.
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Furthermore, I'm pretty sure that, read in context, Bernhard's point was that Sarah Palin is the kind of person who THINKS that any white women going to New York will get raped by black guys, not that she, even as hyperbole, wants Palin to be raped.
That still does not make it a very smart thing to have said, of course. But I do agree that it's in a different category than the guy yelling "Kill him!" at the GOP rally. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: |
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You should listen to some of the stuff McCain supporters had to say while waiting for a McCain rally. And there is a fellow who says to McCain he will not have a child if Obama is elected....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#27124691
Even Richard Nixon never stooped quite this low.
McCain is moving the country in precisely the other direction, and is undoing decades of progress on this issue. |
What "issue" is that exactly?
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If there really is substance to conspiracy theories, cue Osama bin Laden. Or someone pretending to be bin Laden. (Hey, how about a tape endorsing Barack Obama???)
I don't buy into these ideas, but with Rove, anything is possible. |
In 2004, I actually heard a right-wing shock jock say, "Usama bin Laden wants you to vote for John Kerry." It's already an old dirty trick. |
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Gatsby
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The McCain-Palin campaign is unlike anything America has seen in politics since before the days of the civil rights movement. Even Nixon never played the race card as overtly as McCain has. That the election should even be close is appalling. If McCain hadn't been so inept, he might have had more of a chance. This suggests the movement might not die after the election, should McCain lose.
Indeed, it has been an ongoing thing with the right wing media, pre-existing McCain. Will this taste of power, of the Presidency, whet their appetite?
In history, when the economy turns rancid, right wing kooks with simplistic, dishonest, fear mongering answers come out of the woodwork. Will we see more of what we have seen with Palin and McCain after the election?
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McCain and the Raging Right
By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Tuesday, October 14, 2008;
Are we witnessing the reemergence of the far right as a power in American politics? Has John McCain, inadvertently perhaps, become the midwife of a new movement built around fear, xenophobia, racism and anger?
McCain has clearly become uneasy with some of the forces that have gathered around him. He has begun to insist, against the sometimes loud protests from his crowds, that Barack Obama is, among things, a "decent person."...
We are in the midst of what could become -- and here's hoping it doesn't -- the worst economic downturn in decades. The last thing we need is a campaign that strengthens fanaticism, tarnishes the authority of the next president and whips up the worst kinds of prejudice. This works both ways: Obama should not be delegitimized if he wins, and McCain should not want to win in a way that would undermine his own capacity to lead.
When Christopher Buckley, a novelist and former speechwriter for George H.W. Bush, announced last week that he would vote for Obama (his first vote ever for a Democrat), he referred to words once spoken to him by his late father. "You know," the conservative hero William F. Buckley Jr. said, "I've spent my entire lifetime separating the right from the kooks."
McCain has an obligation, to his own legacy and the country he has served, to separate himself and his campaign from the kooks. Extremism in defense of liberty may be no vice, but extremism in pursuit of the presidency is as dysfunctional as it is degrading. |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/13/AR2008101302173_pf.html |
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Ya-ta Boy
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What we are witnessing is the mainstreaming of the far right, a phenomenon that began to take shape with some of the earliest attacks on Bill Clinton in the 1990s.
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There have been lots of columns saying McCain/Palin were playing with fire, but Dionne has gone further. This is maybe the most frightening single sentence of the whole campaign year.
To McCain's credit, he spoke out against the worst things, but will he rein in the kind of speeches that allow people to think they can express themselves like that at his rallies? We'll have to wait and see.
Economic crises tend to produce some nutty ideas and people. If you remember Father Coughlin, this will sound familiar (and eerie):
In 1935, Coughlin proclaimed, "I have dedicated my life to fight against the heinous rottenness of modern capitalism because it robs the laborer of this world's goods. But blow for blow I shall strike against Communism, because it robs us of the next world's happiness."[8] He accused Roosevelt of "leaning toward international socialism on the Spanish question." Coughlin founded the National Union for Social Justice, an organization with a strong following among nativists and opponents of the Federal Reserve, especially in the Midwest. As Michael Kazin notes, Coughlinites saw Wall Street and Communism as twin faces of a secular Satan. Coughlinites believed that they were defending those people who cohered more through piety, economic frustration, and a common dread of powerful, modernizing enemies than through any class identity.[9]
One of Coughlin's campaign slogans was: "Less care for internationalism and more concern for national prosperity" which went well with the 1930s isolationist movement in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Coughlin |
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