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SMKOREA · Joined: 29 Nov 2005

Thank God.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ZxpbtcC8A

"Rocky" ?? "Shocks the world" ?? "The most incredible victory in the history of MMA" ??

Um, no.

That commentator is a moron.

crescent · Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.

Shauneyz · Joined: 26 May 2008 Location: The land of Nod

I've never really been on the Kimbo bandwagon.....though I never thought that he'd go down so easily.

Paji eh Wong · Joined: 03 Jun 2003

Real life. Kicking the Internet's ass since 1969.

cangel · Joined: 19 Jun 2003 Location: Jeonju, S. Korea

This looked like a thrown fight. Not that I'm in any way a Kimbo fan, I have seen him take much harder shots to the chin, and without gloves. Then once he was down, the commentator was saying "power punches" but they didin't even connect... Lame, lame, lame!

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Actually, it was reminiscent of the second Muhammad Ali - Sonny Liston fight.

In a K-1 match in Japan (back in 2004) the same guy - Seth Petrucelli - did almost the same thing to Bob Sapp (over 150 lbs. bigger than Kimbo) with the same kind of karate-like punch that dropped the big gorilla in the first round. (Seth lost that one, though, after a straight right to his arm dislocated his elbow or something, and it was stopped - though he wanted to continue...)
http://www.mmatko.com/seth-petruzelli-vs-bob-sapp-fight-video-k-1-saitama-2004/

I happened to hear an interview with Petrocelli a couple weeks ago (on www.betweentheropes.com) when he was still scheduled to just fight on the undercard, and he was cracking jokes like a stand-up comic.

After his big upset, he appeared on a popular local radio talk show in Orlando and made controversial remarks to the effect that he had been paid extra by the organizers to stand and trade punches with Kimbo - rather than take it to the mat (where he had more experience as an amateur wrestler.)

When that was picked up by national media he more-or-less retracted his remarks ...
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=7299&zoneid=2

Konglishman · Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Nanjing

mikowee · Joined: 03 Aug 2006

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

I can't think of any reason for the fight to have been fixed to that result - unless UFC was somehow behind it. It practically finishes the whole EliteXL promotion (which is about 58 million dollars in debt...)

Petrucelli even said that he didn't catch him flush, but I think he demonstrated against Bob Sapp that he does have a big punch.

It could be that Kimbo on his own realized that his basic flaws would be exposed soon so he decided to check out early rather than risk serious injury.

Reportedly, he insisted on getting a bonus when the change in opponent was made close to fight time.

The latest edition of www.betweentheropes.com features another live interview with Petrocelli made today - which I haven't heard yet.

bassexpander · Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

I can't get it to link up, but there is a video story about this on FoxNews. They're calling it a sort of mess. See www.foxnews.com

wormholes101 · Joined: 11 Mar 2003

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Neither of them is reminiscent of Ali, but both fights involved a "phantom punch".

Here's Ali-Liston 2 (with Korean commentary):
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=qWpbqfO-CK8&NR=1

Here's Kimbo getting "knocked out" by Petrucelli (the buffering takes longer than the fight...)
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=SX3MrLu5pFo&feature=related

Here's a better link:
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=Et7xeqif1MI&feature=related

And here's a funny clip of Ali explaining his "anchor punch":
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=xPYPZc3vx3U&feature=related

By the time Ali fought George Foreman his KO punch had slowed down enough to be clearly visible:
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=udkoZ1EqGS8&feature=related

rumdiary · Joined: 05 Jun 2006

State of Florida launches investigation of ProElite and EliteXC
October 10, 2008 by Sam Caplan

A preliminary investigation surrounding questionable circumstances involving this past weekend�s main event between Kevin �Kimbo Slice� Ferguson and Seth Petruzelli during EliteXC and CBS� Saturday Night Fights in South Florida has been launched by the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation.

The news is according to Franklin McNeil of ESPN.com and the Newark Star-Ledger.

Questions about Petruzelli�s 14-second first round TKO over Slice initially surfaced on Monday following an interview with 104.1 FM in Orlando.

�The promoters kind of hinted to me and they gave me the money to stand and trade with him,� Petruzelli told the hosts of the �The Monsters in Orlando� morning radio show. �They didn�t want me to take him down, let�s just put it that way. It was worth my while to try to stand up and punch with him.�

The FDBPR initially told FiveOuncesOfPain.com earlier this week that it had no immediate plans to launch an investigation. While the state of Florida is now switching gears, it does not appear they believe any foul play was involved.

�While the Department of Business and Professional Regulation doesn�t have any reason to believe there was a problem with the Slice-Petruzelli fight, given the interest in it, the Department has begun a preliminary investigation to thoroughly review the circumstances of the fight,� Jennifer Meale, Communications Director for the DBPR, is quoted as saying in ESPN.com�s report.

While it does not appear that ProElite and EliteXC officials tried to fix the outcome of the fight in a traditional sense, questions as to whether it played an unethical role in dictating the nature in which the fight was contested still remain.

During an exclusive interview with FiveOuncesOfPain.com conducted on Tuesday, Petruzelli said that while he did receive a knockout bonus, ProElite and EliteXC officials also offered a submission bonus of equal value as well.

�Yes,� Petruzelli told us when asked if the promotion also offered a submission bonus. �There were submission bonuses, knockout bonuses, and a �Fight of the Night� bonus � just like the UFC does it. They just want an exciting fight no matter where it goes.�

However, EliteXC Head of Fight Operations Jeremy Lappen publicly contradicted Petruzelli after being quoted by Josh Gross in an article for SI.com.

�We don�t give submission bonuses,� SI quoted Lappen. �(But Petruzelli) knew a knockout bonus was possible before the fight.�

Now it appears Lappen could be contradicting himself, unless Gross, a veteran MMA journalist, mis-quoted him because Lappen is quoted in ESPN.com�s report as saying that EliteXC indeed offered Petruzelli a submission bonus.

yingwenlaoshi · Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!

Rteacher · Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA

Bob Sapp - in his prime - was also very marketable (especially in Japan) and he played the heel monster role very well. Before his match with Petrucelli he chewed up Seth's photo and spit it out ...

His fighting career began with a win over William "Refrigerator" Perry in a Toughman boxing special promoted by FX channel in 2000.

Like Brock Lesnar (and Ken Shamrock) he also wrestled in WWE (even "defeating" Razor Ramone...)

His K-1 record includes two TKO wins over Ernesto Hoost - who was certainly a top-tier fighter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Sapp

Regarding the Petrucelli-Kimbo Elite XC controversy - which casts a shadow over all pro MMA organizations - I think the Florida (and other) commissions main interest is that no fighters be given any unfair advantages because of promotional concerns (especially since there is gambling involved and Vegas odds posted ...)

"Between the Ropes" (whose hosts are friends with both Petrucelli and the Orlando talk show he appeared on) has some well-informed discussion on the topic (after they cover some amusing pro wrestling stuff and do comic impressions ...)
http://www.betweentheropes.com/content/view/781/39/