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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: Europe mocks 'half-baked Alaskan' Palin |
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By CNN European Political Editor Robin Oakley
LONDON, England (CNN) -- There's no doubt about it. The European media has given Sarah Palin a hard time.
One European newspaper called the idea of a Palin presidency a "half-baked Alaskan nightmare."
Things started quite well, with the curiosity factor. To many Europeans there is something exotic about snowy Alaska. Viewers and readers were intrigued by the shots of the outdoorswoman with her eyes squinting fixed along a gun barrel, the thought of a vice president who had once been a beauty queen.
Columnists were approving that here, for once, was a politician in the higher reaches who probably actually knew the price of a loaf and a pint of milk. Women writers in particular responded warmly to her joke about the difference between a pitbull and a hockey mom --"Lipstick."
But soon the carping began, and it was not confined to what U.S. rightists like to dismiss as the "liberal media elite."
We were, the Irish Times warned, "just a heartbeat away from the biggest half-baked Alaskan nightmare." Britain's Financial Times said his selection of vice president raised serious questions about John McCain's judgment and added: "The Palin appointment is yet more proof of the way that abortion still dominates American politics."
Prominence was given to an onslaught on Palin's environmental and animal rights record by veteran ex-film star Brigitte Bardot. Spain's left wing El Pais described Palin as "a figure who comes from the America that is farthest removed from and incomprehensible to the European spectator."
Since then the scorn has been constant, the jokes unrelenting, the YouTube exposure devastating. But let us dispel one bit of nonsense from the start. It is nothing to do with Sarah Palin being of the feminine gender. Sound Off: Is it fair for Europeans to criticize Sarah Palin?
Europeans have been astonished that America has never had a woman president. After all we in Britain elected the redoubtable Margaret Thatcher three times as prime minister. Norway did the same with Gro Harlem Brundtland. Germany has a female chancellor, Angela Merkel, even if she does tend to underline the remark I once heard from a British Ambassador: "A German joke is no laughing matter."
Nicolas Sarkozy's socialist challenger for the French presidency was the elegant Segolene Royal.
When Sarah Palin first became McCain's running mate there were even headlines in some British media suggesting that America had found its own Margaret Thatcher.
That certainly was overdoing it. So much so that after 20 years close up reporting on the original I can't resist the temptation to paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen's comment when Dan Quayle unwisely compared himself to John F. Kennedy. "I've interviewed Margaret Thatcher, Governor Palin and I can tell you that you are no Margaret Thatcher."
That was summed up for some by the appearance of those women at McCain rallies wearing T-shirts emblazoned "Small Town Gun-Totin Christians for McCain."
For Europeans, who were alienated during George W. Bush's first four years by a president who showed little interest in their continent and patently cared nothing for the opinions of its leaders, the turning point probably came with the appearance on the Katie Couric show when Palin confessed to not having had a passport until 2006.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: |
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I play pick-up roller hockey a few evenings a month with a group of 20-30 something dudes that includes a few Russians. They are all full of jokes about always having to watch their back when jerking off etc cause Sarah's watching.
Though we have almost 80 pages on this subject... The woman is a joke. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Adventurer: Canadians and Western Europeans have claimed to stand above the fray while harshly dismissing, mocking, and scorning Americans, especially conservative Americans, since Graham Greene.
Graham Greene's 'Folwer' wrote: |
I've been here [in French Indochina] a long time [you don't say -- g.]. You know, it's lucky I am not engag�, there are things I might be tempted to do [colonize the place, for example? -- g.] -- because here in the East -- well, I don't like Ike. I like -- well, these two [native Vietnamese]. This is their country... |
G. Greene, Quiet American, 89.
There comes I time, Adventurer, when we must simply recognize that these people are simply full of themselves -- and full of shit, too. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
Adventurer: Canadians and Western Europeans have claimed to stand above the fray while harshly dismissing, mocking, and scorning Americans, especially conservative Americans, since Graham Greene.
Graham Greene's 'Folwer' wrote: |
I've been here [in French Indochina] a long time [you don't say -- g.]. You know, it's lucky I am not engag�, there are things I might be tempted to do [colonize the place, for example? -- g.] -- because here in the East -- well, I don't like Ike. I like -- well, these two [native Vietnamese]. This is their country... |
G. Greene, Quiet American, 89.
There comes I time, Adventurer, when we must simply recognize that these people are simply full of themselves -- and full of shit, too. |
Gopher, what does "I time" mean? I think you meant a time, but I get you, you may have many academic papers to grade. I am just teasing you.
Actually, I think it does matter what Europeans and Canadians think.
Why? The United States is one of the most powerful countries in the world, and its relations with the rest of the world is quite important, and if Palin has only a modicum of knowledge when it comes to global affairs, then people will ridicule her including Americans. Did you see how she was ridiculed on SNL? Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't SNL an American show?
Many people have mocked George Bush for similar things at home when he mispronounced nuclear. It is not about her being a conservative, Gopher. It is her lack of sophistication. She could be a great mother, a decent governor, but she is rather ignorant when it comes to global affairs. She was picked, because she is attractive to the Christian right. Surely, there must be someone who is attractive to that crowd and is familiar with other countries?
If you haven't noticed so many people in America are mocking Palin.
Didn't you hear about what happened at the hockey game in Philadelphia?
Those guys in the crowd weren't from Paris, France or Dublin, Ireland. |
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mises
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Or, Palin is a joke. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
If you haven't noticed so many people in America are mocking Palin... |
There have always been Americans, who we especially find prevalent among leftist East-Coast elites and their media outlets, people who fall all over themselves to join their allegedly more sophisticated, urbane, "Look-at-me!-I'm-a-citizen-of-the-world-too!" counterparts in Canada and Western Europe.
There are always interesting things that come up when such people congratulate themselves on both recognizing and escaping G. Greene's hegemonic antiAmerican stereotype, things like Greene's reporting on Mau Mau, for example. Was Greene for Kenyans and their country when British imperialism was involved, Adventurer?
In any case, most of the Americans you reference are snobs. Period. B. Clinton does not talk about S. Palin the way that your heroes do here, Adventurer. What about that?
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...why say, ever, anything bad about a person? Why don't we like them and celebrate them and be happy for her elevation to the ticket? And just say that she was a good choice for him and we disagree with them? |
Why? Because they are hypocritical snobs and in many cases, antiAmerican hypocritical snobs, constructing a demonized, scorned Other in order to define themselves as good and wholesome -- and in good with "the rest of the world." (Pay particular attention to El Pais's judgment, above, Adventurer.) They call themselves "for democracy." But look at them. They openly aim to assign people like Palin and her supporters to stupidity or mental illness and thereby to exclude them from America's democratic political processes. They focus and indeed obsess on mocking and ridiculing the American who can see Russia from her state while at the same time giving a pass to, apologizing for, and indeed enthusiastically cheerleading for the Iranian who hosts Holocaust-denial conferences and the Venezuelan King Tut.
Behold the self-proclaimed sophisticated ones. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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If being from western europe means you are a snob, smug and elite as you contend, then i suppose I'll take the sophisticated mantle as well.
People are laughing at her, simply because she is unintentionally funny. Those news interviews she did were hilarious.
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Because they are hypocritical snobs and in many cases, antiAmerican hypocritical snobs |
Of course, of course, it is hypocritical to laugh at someone making an ass of themselves.
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'Anti-American' is to you what khonemi is to Joo. I hope you get over this after the election. |
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