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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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The car parking areas are regulated by parking ajossis, either at a gate or watching over. They will not let you park in car parking. And why should I? There are too few car parking spots already.
I'm not an apologist for motorbikes moving quickly or dangerously on sidewalks. I hate that like anyone else, I am a part-time pedestrian. But moving slowing on the sidewalk in order to get to an empty space for parking is a-okay. It's not dangerous at all. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| The car parking areas are regulated by parking ajossis, either at a gate or watching over. They will not let you park in car parking. And why should I? There are too few car parking spots already. |
And here in lies your arrogance. 'Why should I?' Why should I have to park in assigned parking for motor vehicles? WTF is that about man? Seriously, why do you think that you are so special? Yes, there are too few parking spaces, welcome to Seoul. If you're unable to find a parking space for your motor vehicle, take public transit! I do it all the time. I have a car, yet I know that some areas have very restricted parking. Get off your high horse and realize that the world does not revolve around your ability to ride and park wherever you please.
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| I'm not an apologist for motorbikes moving quickly or dangerously on sidewalks. I hate that like anyone else, I am a part-time pedestrian. But moving slowing on the sidewalk in order to get to an empty space for parking is a-okay. It's not dangerous at all. |
1. What is 'an empty space for parking'? Personally, I call that a SIDEWALK.... FOR WALKING. It's for me, you, and any other pedestrian to use... for walking. If it was a parking space, there'd be regulated lines to it.
2. Really? Not dangerous at all? Do you get off of your bike, make sure it is cooled down, and then slowly walk to to the assigned spot? All the while warning people about it? As a bike owner, I'm guessing you know how hot those pipes get... are you seriously saying that it's ok to have them near where people walk casually? People who do not necessarily understand motor vehicles and bikes? What about if you bike is knocked over, is it still safe to be around it? Can you ensure that some kid playing on the sidewalk cannot knock it over?
Motorcycles are a licensed and regulated motorvehicle for a reason, because it takes skill and knowledge to operate and be around them. As a rider, I'd think that you could appreciate that. |
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Bingo
Joined: 22 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| There's also the matter of directly assaulting pedestrians with your exhaust fumes. Nothing bothers me more than a motorcycle starting up two feet in front of me on the sidewalk and covering me with exhaust. Boils my blood. How can motorcyclists in Korea be so obnoxious. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| The car parking areas are regulated by parking ajossis, either at a gate or watching over. They will not let you park in car parking. And why should I? There are too few car parking spots already. |
And here in lies your arrogance. 'Why should I?' Why should I have to park in assigned parking for motor vehicles? WTF is that about man? Seriously, why do you think that you are so special? Yes, there are too few parking spaces, welcome to Seoul. If you're unable to find a parking space for your motor vehicle, take public transit! I do it all the time. I have a car, yet I know that some areas have very restricted parking. Get off your high horse and realize that the world does not revolve around your ability to ride and park wherever you please.
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Or, I would suggest that you get off your high horse as a pedestrian and be a little flexible and understanding of the needs of motorcyclists.
Motorcyclists are people too!
Second bold: ... or in fact, the world does not revolve around your ability to walk where you please.
This is fast becoming a circular argument.
How about we all agree to try to understand each other and give each other a little leeway, huh? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| IlIlNine wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| The car parking areas are regulated by parking ajossis, either at a gate or watching over. They will not let you park in car parking. And why should I? There are too few car parking spots already. |
And here in lies your arrogance. 'Why should I?' Why should I have to park in assigned parking for motor vehicles? WTF is that about man? Seriously, why do you think that you are so special? Yes, there are too few parking spaces, welcome to Seoul. If you're unable to find a parking space for your motor vehicle, take public transit! I do it all the time. I have a car, yet I know that some areas have very restricted parking. Get off your high horse and realize that the world does not revolve around your ability to ride and park wherever you please.
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Or, I would suggest that you get off your high horse as a pedestrian and be a little flexible and understanding of the needs of motorcyclists.
Motorcyclists are people too!
Second bold: ... or in fact, the world does not revolve around your ability to walk where you please.
This is fast becoming a circular argument.
How about we all agree to try to understand each other and give each other a little leeway, huh? |
Wrong man, pedestrians and automobiles do not compromise... they collide!
Do you honestly have so little understanding of the effects of motor vehicles and pedestrians moving in the same space?
This is not a circular argument, it's simple - pedestrians have the right of way on sidewalks. Motor vehicles do not belong on sidewalks, they belong on the road.
How thick do you have to be to not understand this?
Riding a motorcycle is not a right, it is a privilidge. If you don't get this, you need to go back and take your Driver's test. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| IlIlNine wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| The car parking areas are regulated by parking ajossis, either at a gate or watching over. They will not let you park in car parking. And why should I? There are too few car parking spots already. |
And here in lies your arrogance. 'Why should I?' Why should I have to park in assigned parking for motor vehicles? WTF is that about man? Seriously, why do you think that you are so special? Yes, there are too few parking spaces, welcome to Seoul. If you're unable to find a parking space for your motor vehicle, take public transit! I do it all the time. I have a car, yet I know that some areas have very restricted parking. Get off your high horse and realize that the world does not revolve around your ability to ride and park wherever you please.
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Or, I would suggest that you get off your high horse as a pedestrian and be a little flexible and understanding of the needs of motorcyclists.
Motorcyclists are people too!
Second bold: ... or in fact, the world does not revolve around your ability to walk where you please.
This is fast becoming a circular argument.
How about we all agree to try to understand each other and give each other a little leeway, huh? |
Wrong man, pedestrians and automobiles do not compromise... they collide! |
Yeah? Ignoring the fact that you've changed motorcycles into automobiles all of a sudden (aware of something called a strawman?) Statistics please. I've never seen or heard of such a thing. Not saying it doesn't happen, mind you... but I'm saying it's statistically small.
Also, keep in mind that I'm not talking about ripping about on the sidewalk. I'm talking about putting at walk-speed to a parking spot on one of those extra-wide sidewalks.
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Do you honestly have so little understanding of the effects of motor vehicles and pedestrians moving in the same space?
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Yes, I understand if everyone behaves in a responsible manner, nobody is put in any danger.
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This is not a circular argument, it's simple - pedestrians have the right of way on sidewalks.
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Yes, they do.
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Motor vehicles do not belong on sidewalks, they belong on the road.
How thick do you have to be to not understand this?
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How rude.
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Riding a motorcycle is not a right, it is a privilidge. If you don't get this, you need to go back and take your Driver's test. |
I don't understand how a so-called veteran of Korea can be so ignorant of the way things function here. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| IlIlNine wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| IlIlNine wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| The car parking areas are regulated by parking ajossis, either at a gate or watching over. They will not let you park in car parking. And why should I? There are too few car parking spots already. |
And here in lies your arrogance. 'Why should I?' Why should I have to park in assigned parking for motor vehicles? WTF is that about man? Seriously, why do you think that you are so special? Yes, there are too few parking spaces, welcome to Seoul. If you're unable to find a parking space for your motor vehicle, take public transit! I do it all the time. I have a car, yet I know that some areas have very restricted parking. Get off your high horse and realize that the world does not revolve around your ability to ride and park wherever you please.
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Or, I would suggest that you get off your high horse as a pedestrian and be a little flexible and understanding of the needs of motorcyclists.
Motorcyclists are people too!
Second bold: ... or in fact, the world does not revolve around your ability to walk where you please.
This is fast becoming a circular argument.
How about we all agree to try to understand each other and give each other a little leeway, huh? |
Wrong man, pedestrians and automobiles do not compromise... they collide! |
Yeah? Ignoring the fact that you've changed motorcycles into automobiles all of a sudden (aware of something called a strawman?) Statistics please. I've never seen or heard of such a thing. Not saying it doesn't happen, mind you... but I'm saying it's statistically small. |
The change was not intentional. Motorcycles are motor vehicles, and to me that qualifies them as automobiles. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/automobile#sharethis
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| An automobile vehicle or mechanism; esp., a self-propelled vehicle suitable for use on a street or roadway. Automobiles are usually propelled by internal combustion engines (using volatile inflammable liquids, as gasoline or petrol, alcohol, naphtha, etc.), steam engines, or electric motors. |
But we're welcome to go back to calling them whatever you feel comfortable with.
Are you seriously asking me for statistics on motor vehicle fatalities??
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| Also, keep in mind that I'm not talking about ripping about on the sidewalk. I'm talking about putting at walk-speed to a parking spot on one of those extra-wide sidewalks. |
1. Do you get off of your motorcycle and 'walk it' to a spot?
2. Those 'spots on extra wide sidewalks' are not intended for parking. They are intended for walking. If they were intended for parking, you'd see lines or regulations assigning spaces.
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Do you honestly have so little understanding of the effects of motor vehicles and pedestrians moving in the same space?
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Yes, I understand if everyone behaves in a responsible manner, nobody is put in any danger. |
Quite presumptuous here. To use your motor vehicle, did you or did you not have to pass a test?
Do pedestrians have to pass a test to walk?
Do you see the difference?
I'll make it easier for you; can a 5 year old walk down the sidewalk? Can a 5 year old ride a motorcycle?
Different ages have different capabilities. Your talk of 'responsible manner' neglects a large segment of society.
Motor vehicles do not belong on sidewalks, they belong on the road.
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Riding a motorcycle is not a right, it is a privilidge. If you don't get this, you need to go back and take your Driver's test. |
I don't understand how a so-called veteran of Korea can be so ignorant of the way things function here. |
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Who says I'm A a veteran, and B ignorant?
Do you honestly think I don't know how things work? WHERE IN MY POST HAVE I SHOWN LARGE AMOUNTS OF IGNORANCE?? Please, take the time to quote ALL OF THE THINGS I'VE GOTTEN WRONG.
Or, is it just the fact that I've disagreed with you that miffs you so?
Maybe you missed it but...
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/archives/result_contents.asp
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Seoul City announced that it will work with the police agency and other concerned authorities to enforce motorcycle-related regulations.
Seoul will be carrying out a crackdown on illegal practices by motorcycle riders such as driving on sidewalks and using the bus lanes starting in October.
For the crackdown, the city has selected four types of offences as their main targets. The four offences are driving on sidewalks, parking and idling in bus lanes, parking on sidewalks and irregular practices including driving in bus lanes and cutting in. |
Wow, so the shite that people are saying on this thread about 'the rights of motorcyclists', is just that, shite. It's actually ILLEGAL do to what you do.
And just an FYI, read the OP next time BEFORE you ask me to come up with statistics.
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/archives/result_contents.asp
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| the number of accidents involving such vehicles increased 131 percent while fatalities and injuries respectively rose by 151 percent and 143 percent between 2003 and 2007. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Ha!
Saw two motorcycles getting ticketed yesterday for driving on the sidewalk. Walked by the first one, on my way to the vet, and was going to give the cops a thumbs up until I saw the driver was a waegukin (Philipino, I think). Came out of the vet and crossed the street and saw they had ticketed another one, this time a delivery ajosshi. I thought the first ticket was a DWF (driving while foreign), but changed my mind when I saw the pizza guy get one too.
It's about time they started ticketing those idiots. And this time they seem to to target everyone, not just the waegs. |
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Gal
Joined: 28 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:00 am Post subject: |
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I never understood why the Korean government passes laws it has no intention of enforcing. Try enforcing the laws currently on the books before adding new ones that will never be enforced.  |
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ashland
Joined: 05 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Gal wrote: |
| I never understood why the Korean government passes laws it has no intention of enforcing. Try enforcing the laws currently on the books before adding new ones that will never be enforced. |
dear Gal,
you've made a good point... korea does need better law enforcement.
but the issue here is not korea's incompetent law enforcement. it's you... the issue is you youself.
it's so natural that negativities grab your attention so easily.
but don't let bad, unpleasant things come into your mind and ruin your day. there are tons of good, pleasant things you can find in korea. meet them half way. |
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Senior
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| ashland wrote: |
| Gal wrote: |
| I never understood why the Korean government passes laws it has no intention of enforcing. Try enforcing the laws currently on the books before adding new ones that will never be enforced. |
dear Gal,
you've made a good point... korea does need better law enforcement.
but the issue here is not korea's incompetent law enforcement. it's you... the issue is you youself.
it's so natural that negativities grab your attention so easily.
but don't let bad, unpleasant things come into your mind and ruin your day. there are tons of good, pleasant things you can find in korea. meet them half way. |
Boo. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea: You didn't change the thing from a scooter to a car. You entered this thread Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:32 pm with a post using the terminoogy "motor vehicle." What you've posted here is absolutely correct: someone who thinks a crowded sidewalk is a fine place to go tooling around with a scooter or motorcycle should not be operating a motor vehicle. |
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Palladium
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Since when did a little thing like the law stop anyone here?!? |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:02 am Post subject: |
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For the record, I'm still on 2 wheels in Korea. I still use the sidewalk for parking. When I do this, I drive slowly and wait for pedestrians. I very rarely use the sidewalk to bypass traffic, but it happens when the sidewalk is clear and traffic doesn't allow me to pass on the street. I have never gotten a ticket, never been stopped by the police, and I have never even come close to hitting anyone.
The most enforcement I have seen are shop owners that don't want bikes parked in front of their shops, even on the far side of the sidewalk near the street. I move if they ask me to. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| For the record, I'm still on 2 wheels in Korea. I still use the sidewalk for parking. When I do this, I drive slowly and wait for pedestrians. I very rarely use the sidewalk to bypass traffic, but it happens when the sidewalk is clear and traffic doesn't allow me to pass on the street. I have never gotten a ticket, never been stopped by the police, and I have never even come close to hitting anyone. |
I hope you get a ticket and stop driving on sidewalks.
I don't wish you ill-will, mate, but you're putting others at risk.
Sidewalks were not designed for what you are using them for. |
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