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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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I need to start saving these links for the 11-5 gloatfest. |
So it's nothing to be concerned about, even if the Democrats win? I for one, don't want to have to go through the issue again of the party affiliations of vote counters and polling booth workers. It really makes America look like a third world nation. |
Third world. Does that mean its neither part of the first world capitalist West nor the second world Soviet bloc ( |
It is just a pejorative meaning 'backwards' or uncivilized. That the US is unable to hold clean elections is not good. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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I need to start saving these links for the 11-5 gloatfest. |
So it's nothing to be concerned about, even if the Democrats win? I for one, don't want to have to go through the issue again of the party affiliations of vote counters and polling booth workers. It really makes America look like a third world nation. |
Third world. Does that mean its neither part of the first world capitalist West nor the second world Soviet bloc (or second world advanced countries of the non-aligned movement)? .................. |
OK, I'll rephrase it. In 2000, American democracy looked like a joke. So even if Obama wins, if the vote count isn't accurate and fair, it isn't a valid election, even if the 'right' person wins. Look at it this way: let's say we have a vote between A and B with an electorate of 20 people, and B wins with 13 people. But only 18 votes were counted because A wrongly disqualified 2 of them. I would not qualify that as a valid democratic election, despite the chosen majority taking power.
So if you don't mind going through 2000 again, then go ahead and laugh off this issue. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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Now here's an idea: Register new voters, and if they sign up as Democrats, throw their registrations in the garbage. What a clever idea!
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Investigation into Trashed Voter Registrations
George Knapp, Investigative Reporter
(Oct. 13) -- Federal, state, and local officials are gathering information about allegations of voter registration fraud that were first raised Channel 8 Eyewitness News.
An employee of a private voter registration firm alleges that his bosses trashed registration forms filled out by Democratic voters because they only wanted to sign up Republican voters.
The allegations have set off a political firestorm stretching from Las Vegas to Washington D.C., and beyond.... |
http://www.klas-tv.com/global/story.asp?s=2421595
Would Republicans like to steal another Presidential election?
You betcha! |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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Nobody stole anything.
Live in the now, you douche. |
Imagine a defendent saying this in a courtroom.  |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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As the election nears, examples of political dirty tricks are emerging with greater frequency.
On Tuesday, the Virginia Pilot reported that a phony Board of Elections flier was circulating the state "advising Republicans to vote on Nov. 4 and Democrats on Nov. 5." Voting, of course, is on the 4th only, creating fear among neutral observers and the Obama campaign that people were simply going to miss the opportunity to go to the polls.
Earlier this month, meanwhile, an anonymous flier was circulating in predominantly African-American neighborhoods in Philadelphia telling voters they could be arrested at the polls if they show up to vote with outstanding arrest warrants or unpaid parking tickets. This is also untrue.
Dirty tricks and phony fliers represent the dark underside of nearly every election. And certainly, when it comes to the current contest, these tactics started long ago. Last March, as Time Magazine noted, a letter was being sent around Colorado, warning that out-of-state students could not register if their parents claimed them as dependents in another state." One of the more common falsities making its way through email chains has warned voters in some states (updated below) that they will be turned away from the polls if they wore paraphernalia demonstrating their support for one particular candidate.
Since these antics are becoming more and more common we encourage readers to send in tips or episodes they have witnessed to the Huffington Post. |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/as-election-nears-dirty-t_n_138607.html
Republicans are immature. They are like school kids playing a practical joke when election day rolls around. They just can't resist doing something incredibly juvenile.
They are also not very original. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: |
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You will see a repeat of large police presence at polls in predominantly black/minority polling areas in places in the south where the mostly-white coppers are a law unto themselves. The goal is, and always remains, to intimidate black & minority voters (who don't vote Republican) to stay away. This has always been one Republican tactic on voting day.
The next best trick they pull out in said areas is employing a variety of wrenches to slow the voting down as much as possible--the longer the wait in primarily Democratic-voting areas they can create the better. This tactic is employed very carefully to assure "plausible deniability" --slowing the voting by frivolous lawsuits (the Justice Dept is controlled by Republicans), creating delays with spurious complaints, challenging voters about their registration when they turn up, not ordering enough paper ballots or machines. They have had the $, the manpower, and the corruption to do it every election.
I suspect this is why the Obama camp has made such a huge door-to-door grass roots effort to register voters and encourage them to vote early.
I'm hoping the Obama tide is so overwhelming they drown. They deserve to. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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This campaign really needs to be put out of its misery.
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We did not write this letter to scare you," the Republican Party of Pennsylvania assures 75,000 in-state Jewish voters in an e-mail sent out Oct. 23. But "in the 5,769 years of our people, there has never been a more important time for us to take pro-active measures in order to stop a second Holocaust." Care to guess which presidential candidate the Pennsylvania GOP judges most likely to bring on Holocaust II?
"Many of our ancestors ignored the warning signs in the 1930s and 1940s and made a tragic mistake," the e-mail intones. "Let's not make a similar one this year" (Page 2). Signed by three of the state's most prominent Jewish Republicans, the e-mail goes on to suggest that Barack Obama's worldview is somehow sympathetic to that of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, driving home the point by quoting Ahmadinejad's famous characterization of Israel as a "stinking corpse" that should be "wiped off the face of the earth." It also quotes Hamas political adviser Ahmed Yousef praising Obama: "We hope he will [win] the election."
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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Virginia trying to combat misinformation about Election Day
Posted: 01:00 PM ET
From CNN Associate Producer Martina Stewart, CNN's Leslie Bentz
(CNN) � The Virginia State Board of Elections is putting the word out: November 4 is Election Day for everyone in the state, regardless of political party.
The state agency issued a �Rumor Buster� press release this week with the correct date for voting in next week�s election because a fake flyer has been circulating with false information.
The flier said incorrectly that Republicans and Republican-leaning independent voters should vote November 4 and that Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents should vote November 5. The flyer claims that the separate dates for voting by party were enacted by the Virginia legislature to ease the strain on the polls during high turnout that is expected. |
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/28/virginia-trying-to-combat-misinformation-about-election-day/
Here is the fraudulent flyer by the Republicans:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/10/28/fake.sbe.flyer.pdf
Sleazy and desperate. Sums it up about right for the right wing. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: |
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The October surprise has already happened, only no one has noticed it yet. It was ...
The Financial Bailout ... in its over $3 trillion of mostly secret pieces.
With the economy going into the tank, the Republicans stand ready to lose the White House, and not only both houses of Congress, but possibly the Dems could pull out the 60 vote majority needed to control the Senate.
So, what to do?
Flood the economy with cash. By dumping cash into the economy in the weeks and days just prior to the election, they could give the impression that they can manage the economy and that we just need to elect McCain to keep the Republican experience in foreign affairs, anti-terror, and the economy and keep things going.
How is this?
Dump cash into banks, and any of the myriad of businesses, corporations, groups and funds, supporting mergers, buyouts etc. to drive stock prices back up enough, even if only it's only a temporary jolt to the markets.
This will take just enough of the panic off, make things look just good enough, that many of the worried Republicans, independents, swing voters and scared Democrats will stay with or move to the Republicans - McCain, senators, house members.
It wouldn't change a lot of votes, but maybe just enough to pull out a win, before everything tanks again.
Couple the relief of a sudden stock market recovery, along with the falling oil prices, and the hidden percentage of undisclosed racists who won't vote for Obama, but would never say so and need an excuse to vote McCain, and you have the seeds of a squeaker victory in the late hours of November 4th.
(Of course, I hope this is completely wrong.) |
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canuckistan
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Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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In 4 separate states, WVA, TN, MO, TX early voters are now reporting vote-flipping problems with voting machines--their vote flipping away from Democrat --to Republican or "other"--repeatedly, as they attempt to vote Democrat. Someone must have screwed up while writing that code.
Vote flipping is supposed to go unnoticed:
Clinton Curtis, a computer programmer, finally testifies under oath, that he was asked to design such a hidden "flipping" program in 2000 by Republican congressman Tom Feeney, speaker of the house in Florida, who was also a lobbyist for Yang enterprises--the computer company the programmer worked for.
Hear his testimony about what he was asked to do and how easy it is to rig an election with voting machines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eQBdl-wiKQ&feature=related
A short while after he gave this testimony his dog was shot to death.
VideoTheVote.org is urging people to video their voting problems and upload them to their site--they are cross-post the vids to Youtube as well.
http://www.videothevote.org/
There are already vote-flipping testimonials being posted there.
See a machine in WVA flip a vote right before your eyes--6 counties there reporting this problem:
http://videothevote.org/video/384/
The machines are *not* immediately impounded, they're simply "(re)calibrated"--which as you can see in the vid--doesn't stop the problem.
3 of the largest voting machine manufacturers (and the ones doing the flipping) are controlled by registered Republicans who are major party donors--Diebold (now called "Premier") Sequoia, ES&S iVotronics
Another voting machine supplier, Hart, is based in Texas.
The Vote Grab:
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/openhouse/2008/10/the-vote-grab-1.html
The US is one of the few countries where a privately owned, partisan companies who supply 80% of the voting machines can count Americans' votes, in secret, with their proprietary software.
How to hack a voting machine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WMG34cv0zM
Furthermore, in the case where someone cannot get to voting machines (at *any* time before an election) to install a card with a virus, they could always hack into the public network used to transmit vote tallies on voting day:
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Public network direct-recording electronic voting system
A public network DRE voting system is an election system that uses electronic ballots and transmits vote data from the polling place to another location over a public network. Vote data may be transmitted as individual ballots as they are cast, periodically as batches of ballots throughout the election day, or as one batch at the close of voting. |
Satellite uplinks are also used in communicating the vote tallies.
So, still think it's hard to steal an election?
Between voting machines, electronic transmissions of results, and the lack of security between the points the backup printouts travel after polls close, it can be done in ways that no one would ever be able to detect. And it probably already has. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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So, still think it's hard to steal an election?
Between voting machines, electronic transmissions of results, and the lack of security between the points the backup printouts travel after polls close, it can be done in ways that no one would ever be able to detect. And it probably already has. |
Yes, I do. Your links led us to an NGO specifically designed as a watchdog against these kinds of problems. Furthermore, you could see from the video that WV law mandated a paper trail for all votes made in WV. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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How about: Obama's an anti-semite Palestinian terrorist sympathizer?
This according to Mke the McCain Spokesman:
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=ioJlOjA45fk
Where did they find this slob? I think Joe the Plumber dresses better.
Oh, The Weekly Standard:
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| Bill Kristol today proudly announces that one of his Weekly Standard staff members, Michael Goldfarb, was just named the Deputy Communications Director of the McCain campaign. Last April, this newest McCain official participated in a conference call with former Senator George Mitchell, during which Mitchell advocated a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. Afterwards, this is what Goldfarb wrote about what he thinks are the powers the President possesses in our country: |
This slimeballer could actually be dangerous, if he had half a brain and a tie.
The McCain campaign is such a bunch of bumbling fools, it takes my breath away. But, thanks to youtube, it sure is good for a laugh!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/03/michael-goldfarb-mccains_n_104898.html |
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Jandar
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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I remember in the 2000 and 2004 elections the Democrats clearly said:
RECOUNT! WE DEMAND A RECOUNT. VOTER FRAUD! WE GOT CHEATED!!!
And the OP has the temerity to accuse the Republicans of dirty tactics. The Democrats are the worst sore losers in the history of the planet. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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McCain should be more careful about where he directs his attacks:
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McCain Funded Work Of Palestinian His Campaign Hopes To Tie To Obama
October 28, 2008 04:34 PM
The latest guilt-by-association target that the McCain campaign is using to hit Barack Obama could carry some collateral damage for its own candidate.
As Politico's Ben Smith reported on Tuesday, the McCain campaign is demanding that the Los Angeles Times release video in its possession of a party attended by Barack Obama and Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi.
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In regards to Khalidi, however, the guilt-by-association game burns John McCain as well.
During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.
A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html |
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