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Palin 'going rogue', looking to 2012
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Czarjorge



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact that Palin actually considers it a possibility that she COULD be the leader of the Republican Party proves her stupidity all the more. The woman clearly can't think on her feet, and no matter how good your speech writers are you can't get to a higher office than she already has without the ability to shuck and jive verbally. Also, her positive numbers in Alaska have tanked. If she can't get reelected in Alaska, something looking more and more unlikely, she'll be a political footnote.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another rogue article:

Four Republicans close to Palin said she has decided increasingly to disregard the advice of the former Bush aides tasked to handle her, creating occasionally tense situations as she travels the country with them. Those Palin supporters, inside the campaign and out, said Palin blames her handlers for a botched rollout and a tarnished public image � even as others in McCain's camp blame the pick of the relatively inexperienced Alaska governor, and her public performance, for McCain's decline.

"She's lost confidence in most of the people on the plane," said a senior Republican who speaks to Palin, referring to her campaign jet. He said Palin had begun to "go rogue" in some of her public pronouncements and decisions.

"I think she'd like to go more rogue," he said.

The emergence of a Palin faction comes as Republicans gird for a battle over the future of their party: Some see her as a charismatic, hawkish conservative leader with the potential, still unrealized, to cross over to attract moderate voters. Anger among Republicans who see Palin as a star and as a potential future leader has boiled over because, they say, they see other senior McCain aides preparing to blame her in the event he is defeated.

"These people are going to try and shred her after the campaign to divert blame from themselves," a McCain insider said, referring to McCain's chief strategist, Steve Schmidt, and to Nicolle Wallace, a former Bush aide who has taken a lead role in Palin's campaign. Palin's partisans blame Wallace, in particular, for Palin's avoiding of the media for days and then giving a high-stakes interview to CBS News' Katie Couric, the sometimes painful content of which the campaign allowed to be parceled out over a week.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081025/pl_politico/14929

Circular firing squad indeed. Which group will be the first to make the call in 2012 and say, "Let's kiss and make up"? It can be done--McCain himself did it with the black baby operatives from 2000.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Palin blames her handlers for a botched rollout and a tarnished public image


Managed to botch her rollout all on her own...just by opening her mouth.

Her unexceptional educational background and lack of worldliness--well, there you have it--an unsophisticated T & A Repubot syncophant to dangle in front of the right wing Wal Mart crowd.
And a fascist little book-banning, entitled temperament too boot!

No amount of handlers or cramming can spin her idiotic non-answers to questions we would expect a VP of a super power to answer coherently and knowledgeably.
Especially one who has a 1-in-7 chance of stepping into the president's shoes.

What was McCain thinking.
For a guy who finished 4th from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, probably not much.

This is a great country--but I have to wonder why we have been getting such an unending lineup of Republican idiots. What's happened to the on-the-ball, well-educated, sophisticated ones?
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Paji eh Wong



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the knives come out.

This is going to be awesome!
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Czarjorge



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a great article about the impending Republican blame game...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-carville-and-paul-begala/let-the-blame-game-begin_b_136223.html?page=12&show_comment_id=17044930#comment_17044930
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As Barack Obama and the Democrats appear poised for an historic sweep, we have a message for our Republican friends: It is time to point fingers.

We are pro-finger-pointing. We disagree strongly with Gov. Sarah Palin who said recently, "Do you notice that our opponents sure have spent a lot of time looking at the past and pointing fingers? You look to the past because that's where you find blame, but we're...looking to the future, because that's where you find solutions." On the contrary, Governor, blame assignment, while much maligned, is essential to determining what went wrong and how to set it right. Besides, it's a hell of a spectator sport. Here's our primer for a little game we like to call Big Losers Always Make Excuses (BLAME):

First -- a couple of ground rules. You can't blame the press or minorities. Sure, media-bashing is part of the conservative catechism, and minority voters are likely to support Barack Obama in record numbers. But finger-pointing is only interesting when you point at someone on your team. Republicans need a civil war -- a steel cage death match -- to sort out what they stand for. Scapegoating outsiders won't purge the party of what's rotting it on the inside.

Here's the most important thing about finger-pointing: you have to start early. If you're a Republican who wants to avoid blame for the current meltdown, you cannot afford to wait until after the election is over.

The smartest people in the conservative movement are already pointing like a bird dog on a South Georgia quail hunt. David Brooks and Bill Kristol are leading the way. Mr. Brooks, representing the intellectual wing of the conservative movement, called Ms. Palin, "a fatal cancer to the Republican Party." Attaboy, Brooksie. Score one for the brainiacs.

Mr. Kristol, on the other hand, blames neither Ms. Palin nor Sen. John McCain, but rather McCain's campaign advisers, writing of the campaign: "Its combination of strategic incoherence and operational incompetence has become toxic." See? That's how you do it. Kristol can't say McCain's problem is that he supported the Iraq war, (which Kristol advocated) or that he chose Sarah Palin (whom Kristol praised). So rather than play defense, Bill went on offense, blaming McCain's Steve Schmidt-led campaign. But we have a feeling this fight will only begin when the Schmidt hits the fan.

But where are the other voices? We need to hear, for example, from Karl Rove. Whom will he blame? We stipulate that Karl is a genius -- albeit a genius whose advice took Pres. Bush from a 91 percent approval rating down to 26. With the House of Bush ablaze, Karl is going to have to do some quick finger-pointing before they change they change his nickname from The Architect to The Arsonist.

How about Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and other radio personalities? They never liked McCain much -- but his campaign cratered only when he embraced their wild attacks on Sen. Obama. It was only after Mr. McCain borrowed the Limbaugh-Hannity line on Bill Ayers, only after Gov. Palin accused Mr. Obama of "pallin' around with terrorists," that the bottom fell out for Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin. We're betting the hot air boys will blame the intellectuals. After all, if you want to make an omelet, you've got to break a few eggheads.

The Republican Party is atomizing, and each faction must participate in Project BLAME. The neocons may want to blame the theocons. The economic conservatives will likely blame the big spenders. The conflagration will be so multi-dimensional we'll need a program to sort out the players. They will need to answer fundamental questions: What does it mean to be a Republican? Do Republicans support laissez-faire or nationalized banking? Do Republicans support a balanced budget or half-trillion-dollar deficits? Do Republicans want a "humble foreign policy" like George W. Bush, or preventive war against countries that pose no threat, like, umm, George W. Bush? Are Republicans the party of limited government or a vast Medicare prescription drug benefit? Are they wary of Big Brother or eager to expand warrantless wiretaps? Do they support Christian values or torture? Are they the party that believes that cutting-edge technology can shoot a missile out of the sky or the party that believes humans and dinosaurs walked the earth simultaneously?

These questions should define the 2012 GOP presidential primaries. So start blaming, all you would-be candidates. That means you, Ms. Palin, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush and Charlie Crist. Hurry up. You only have 1,165 days left until the Iowa Caucuses.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheesh, it's like everything that could go wrong with McCain's campaign has wrong. At least Bush got his campaigning part right.

Well, still got 10 more days, so we'll see how it ends up. Looks bleak for the guy though.

I am curious how Alaskan voters are going to do with her when she is up for re-election. I think they have seen quite an eyeful of her already. I also can't see her making any decent successful run at the White House in 2012. If she had to campaign her way through the maze of Republicans, she'd have been torn down VERY QUICKLY.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Czarjorge wrote:
The fact that Palin actually considers it a possibility that she COULD be the leader of the Republican Party proves her stupidity all the more. The woman clearly can't think on her feet, and no matter how good your speech writers are you can't get to a higher office than she already has without the ability to shuck and jive verbally.

Then I guess her chances are very good since the current guy got to be pres doing exactly that.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This kind of reminds me of when the Tories imploded in England. I think this sort of thing can actually be good for a party. Give them a term or two and they'll be back. After a while, people always want change.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So that means she's a true maverick?
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
So that means she's a true maverick?


    Ha. I guess it does.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks to me like her next target will be US Senator from Alaska. She may be setting herself up just fine to go for the Senate.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
Looks to me like her next target will be US Senator from Alaska. She may be setting herself up just fine to go for the Senate.


Sure ....since it looks like there could be an opening for another "the-rules-don't-apply-to-me" Republican senator:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/736721.html
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMO wrote:
This kind of reminds me of when the Tories imploded in England. I think this sort of thing can actually be good for a party. Give them a term or two and they'll be back. After a while, people always want change.


how many terms now has Labour been in power? It has been 11-12 years right?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't she be better off running for Senate or the House?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
JMO wrote:
This kind of reminds me of when the Tories imploded in England. I think this sort of thing can actually be good for a party. Give them a term or two and they'll be back. After a while, people always want change.


how many terms now has Labour been in power? It has been 11-12 years right?


Yea 3 terms. They(the Tories) were in power for 4 terms before that though. I definitely think any more than 3 is too much for one party. In the US that would translate to two. It doesn't hurt to get a new perspective.
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