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The Hammer
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Ullungdo 37.5 N, 130.9 E, altitude : 223 m
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Joo,
Our country is broke. That means we can't even afford to buy a souped up 1979 Chevy Vega if we wanted one.
Where is the money going to come from to pay for all those weapons?
P.S. Watch McCain get his ass handed to him.
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=LDzZ9m_voow |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| The Hammer wrote: |
Joo,
Our country is broke. That means we can't even afford to buy a souped up 1979 Chevy Vega if we wanted one.
Where is the money going to come from to pay for all those weapons?
P.S. Watch McCain get his ass handed to him.
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=LDzZ9m_voow |
Well if you take over Iran, you can steal all their oil, so it's actually a sound investment |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| rusty1983 wrote: |
| The Hammer wrote: |
Joo,
Our country is broke. That means we can't even afford to buy a souped up 1979 Chevy Vega if we wanted one.
Where is the money going to come from to pay for all those weapons?
P.S. Watch McCain get his ass handed to him.
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=LDzZ9m_voow |
Well if you take over Iran, you can steal all their oil, so it's actually a sound investment |
Where have I heard that before...?? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| rusty1983 wrote: |
| The Hammer wrote: |
Joo,
Our country is broke. That means we can't even afford to buy a souped up 1979 Chevy Vega if we wanted one.
Where is the money going to come from to pay for all those weapons?
P.S. Watch McCain get his ass handed to him.
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=LDzZ9m_voow |
Well if you take over Iran, you can steal all their oil, so it's actually a sound investment |
Where have I heard that before...?? |
No, really, mises, the whole operation will fund itself.
Hey, and I just got this resume from a guy named Paul Bremer. He's done this sort of thing before! |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
The war with Saddam wasn't about WMD. |
Rubbish. This was the primary justification used for the invasion. How quickly conservatives forget.  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| asylum seeker wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
The war with Saddam wasn't about WMD. |
Rubbish. This was the primary justification used for the invasion. How quickly conservatives forget. |
And who says the justification was the real reason for the war?
Roll your eyes on this but Joo's right. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| asylum seeker wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
The war with Saddam wasn't about WMD. |
Rubbish. This was the primary justification used for the invasion. How quickly conservatives forget. |
And who says the justification was the real reason for the war?
Roll your eyes on this but Joo's right. |
Everyone knows that the WMD justification wasn't the real reason for the war however you can't just ignore that this justification was used. If the war wasn't supposed to be about WMDs then that should never have been used as an excuse for waging it. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Real reason for the Iraq war
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FORGET Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD). The real reason the United States invaded Iraq was Saudi Arabia, according to a US intelligence analyst.
Dr George Friedman, chairman of the United States private sector intelligence company Stratfor, said the US had settled on WMD as a simple justification for the war and one which it expected the public would readily accept.
Dr Friedman, in Australia on a business trip, said the US administration never wanted to explain the complex reasons for invading Iraq, keeping them from both the public and their closest supporters.
"That, primarily, was the fact that Saudi Arabia was facilitating the transfer of funds to al-Qaeda, was refusing to cooperate with the US and believed in its heart of hearts that the US would never take any action against them," he said.
Dr Friedman said the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the US prompted the strategy to hunt down al-Qaeda wherever it was to be found. But that proved exceedingly difficult.
"The US was desperate. There were no good policy choices," he said.
"Then the US turned to the question - we can't find al-Qaeda so how can we stop the enablers of al-Qaeda."
He said those enablers, the financiers and recruiters, existed in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
But the Saudi government variously took the view that this wasn't true or that they lacked the ability and strength to act, he said.
Dr Friedman said in March last year, the Saudis responded to US pressure by asking the US to remove all its forces and bases from their territory. To their immense surprise, the US did just that, relocating to Qatar.
He said Saudi Arabia and al-Qaeda shared a number of beliefs including that the US could not fight and win a war in the region and was casualty averse. There was a need to change that perception.
But close by was Iraq, the most strategically located nation in the Middle East, bordering Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Turkey and Iran.
"If we held Iraq we felt first there would be dramatic changes of behaviour from the Saudis," he said. "We could also manipulate the Iranians into a change of policy and finally also lean on the Syrians.
"It wasn't a great policy. It happened to be the only policy available."
Dr Friedman said US President George W Bush faced the difficulty of explaining this policy, particularly to the Saudis. Moves to link Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda failed completely.
"They then fell on WMD for two reasons," he said.
"Nobody could object to WMD and it was the one thing that every intelligence agency knew was true.
"We knew we were going to find them. And we would never have to reveal the real reasons.
"The massive intelligence failure was that everybody including Saddam thought he had WMD. He behaved as if he had WMD. He was conned by his own people." |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1110567/posts |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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"The massive intelligence failure was that everybody including Saddam thought he had WMD. He behaved as if he had WMD. He was conned by his own people." |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1110567/posts[/quote]
This article tries to make it sound like the it was just a mistake of the intelligence agencies and totally distorts the fact that the intelligence agencies were pressured by those higher up to come up with WMD evidence and that limited evidence was then exaggerated. All this has come up before, do we really need to go over it again? |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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This article tries to make it sound like the it was just a mistake of the intelligence agencies and totally distorts the fact that the intelligence agencies were pressured by those higher up to come up with WMD evidence and that limited evidence was then exaggerated. All this has come up before, do we really need to go over it again? |
Joo is like the retro neo-con. The article above is from April 2004. Only the most diehard hawks still believe this dribble. Or Fox News viewers. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Why am I not surprised Joo cites the unquestioning zombie conservative forum Free Republic?
And yes, laogaiguk, he really does mean everything on that list. That is the logical extension of his argument. If you support part of it, you gotta buy the whole package.
Actually, he forgot to leave out:
14) Postpone elections until the war on terror is over. We can't take the risk of changing captains midstream. |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Location: Your computer screen
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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I think we're getting off topic.
5eagles is mostly wrong, but he did get at least one thing right.
Obama is a socialist. The question is whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing. Most of Europe is relatively socialist already. |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Obama is a socialist. The question is whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing. |
Nothing by itself seems to be a good thing. Raw Capitalism has it's problems as does raw Socialism. It's all about healthy mediums. Eliminate the weakness in either system by preserving the best in each.
The problem in America is that so many people are brainwashed into thinking that all Socialists eat all babies all the time. It's skewed their perspective. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Why am I not surprised Joo cites the unquestioning zombie conservative forum Free Republic?
And yes, laogaiguk, he really does mean everything on that list. That is the logical extension of his argument. If you support part of it, you gotta buy the whole package.
Actually, he forgot to leave out:
14) Postpone elections until the war on terror is over. We can't take the risk of changing captains midstream. |
The article first appeared in a newspaper.
Anyway my source is stratfor.
http://www.stratfor.com/
Take it up with them. |
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