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bacasper
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2. Government built bridges and roads have caused a massive malinvestment in the infrastructure of the US to the tune of tens of trillions of dollars. We have too many roads, bridges, highways and cars and burn too much gasoline causing too much pollution all caused by socialism.
A free market would build integrated housing, education and working communities where people could walk, bike, take elevators and people movers first, followed by busses and subways, and with the more expensive and least efficient private automobile as the last trasportation alternative. We would have healthy integrated communites with green space, all services and needs conveniently located and minimized transportation needs.
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I totally agree with this. The suburban era was a government creation post ww2. The cities we have in North America now, with very few exceptions, are suburban nightmares. Vapid, empty, without culture and human interaction. I cringe every time I hear some North American comment on their "nice quiet street". |
What you have attributed to sharkey here was actually writen by the guy he called "an idiot."
I just want to set the record straight. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
2. Government built bridges and roads have caused a massive malinvestment in the infrastructure of the US to the tune of tens of trillions of dollars. We have too many roads, bridges, highways and cars and burn too much gasoline causing too much pollution all caused by socialism.
A free market would build integrated housing, education and working communities where people could walk, bike, take elevators and people movers first, followed by busses and subways, and with the more expensive and least efficient private automobile as the last trasportation alternative. We would have healthy integrated communites with green space, all services and needs conveniently located and minimized transportation needs.
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I totally agree with this. The suburban era was a government creation post ww2. The cities we have in North America now, with very few exceptions, are suburban nightmares. Vapid, empty, without culture and human interaction. I cringe every time I hear some North American comment on their "nice quiet street". |
What you have attributed to sharkey here was actually writen by the guy he called "an idiot."
I just want to set the record straight. |
Ah, so it is. But I stand by my point. I'm out in an 'exurb' for the weekend and the whole place is creepy. No people out walking, gotta drive for 10 min to get to anywhere with commerce, which is still nowhere. I'm used to walking out my door and getting a coffee/paper from the corner store and talking to some random dude about whatever. The people here are strange and separated from each other. They're all fat with bad skin too. It's quite the shock from the dense urban area in which I live. It seems improper.
As for the rest of ontheways socialism rants, I disagree. I see nothing wrong with using the state to smooth the very rough edges of capitalism, especially extreme inequality, which I find very distasteful. We can't act like there is no public good or market failure. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Every case of "market failure" turns out to be a case of socialist intervention. There are no exceptions to this rule.
Income distribution tends to be more equal in market based economies. When an economy is allowed to operate freely, the standard of living rises, savings and investment increase, and income disparities are reduced. The greatest income disparities are seen in the most Socialistic countries. This has been and still is always true as well.
Read this if you want to know what a free market is versus socialism:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=137208 |
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Enrico Palazzo
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| If actually implemented, this will sew the seeds of financial destruction for China and will achieve, in the end, what the student protesters couldn't in Tienanmen Square - the final collapse of the Chinese communist government. |
where are you from ? china can afford whatever it wants... youre an idiot for saying this |
This is not what we call playing the ball rather than the player. Cool it with ad-hominems. We've been through this before. You must be new.
Most of you are doing a decent job, and that's appreciated. |
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doc_ido
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Economists have studied socialism in Europe and America and have concluded that socialism (high taxes, high spending, big government) has reduced the standard of living of nations like France, Germany, Sweeden, Denmark, the US and others by 90% or more over the last 100 years. |
I nominate this as the biggest load of BS that has ever been posted on Dave's. This month. However, the inevitable response/backlash may trump it yet... |
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