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Gatsby
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 Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: George Bush |
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George Bush thought he would be dead and gone by the time History would judge his presidency.
Boy, is he in for a surprise.
George Bush is now 62. I hope he lives a very long life, say another 30 years of waking up each morning to see History's verdict staring him in the face. That may sound cruel, but he is leaving the lives many people in tatters because of his incompetence. He will be lucky if it is only tens of millions of people, but it could become billions if the predicted global depression materializes, despite the bailout.
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Timothy Egan
October 1, 2008, 9:45 pm
The Legacy
Among the many dispiriting things to come out of Bob Woodward�s quartet of books on George W. Bush is his observation that the president has not changed since he first started talking to Woodward in 2001.
No growth. No evolution. No regrets.
�History,� Bush replied, when asked by Woodward how he would be judged over time. �We don�t know. We�ll all be dead.� Broke, as well.
It would have been nice to let Bush�s two terms marinate a while before invoking Herbert Hoover and James Buchanan from the cellar of worst presidents. But then � over the last two weeks � he completed the trilogy of national disasters that will be with us for a generation or more.
George Bush entered the White House as a proponent of a more humble foreign policy and a believer that government should get out of the way at home. He leaves as someone with a trillion-dollar war aimed at making people who�ve hated each other for a thousand years become Rotary Club freedom-lovers, and his own country close to bankruptcy after government did get out of the way.
It�s a Mount Rainier of shame and folly. But before going any further, let�s allow his supporters to have their say.
�He�s going to have an unbelievably great legacy,� said Laura Bush in an ABC interview, citing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. �Fifty million people liberated from very brutal regimes.�
Fred Barnes argues that Bush is a visionary on a par with Ronald Reagan and Franklin D. Roosevelt. �Bush is a president who leads,� he wrote in a 2006 book. �He controls the national agenda, uses his presidential power to the fullest and then some, prepares far-reaching polices likely to change the way Americans live, reverses other long-standing polices and is the foremost leader in world affairs.�
Finally, from Karl Rove, the Architect. Bush will be viewed �as a far-sighted leader who confronted the key test of the 21st century,� he said.
After wading through books with words like �fiasco,� �hubris� and �denial� in the title, historians will go to first-hand sources, the people who worked with Bush daily. There they will find Paul O�Neill, the president�s former Treasury secretary. In 2002, he sounded an alarm, saying Bush�s rash economic policies could lead to a deficit of $500 billion. This, after Bush had inherited a budget surplus, prompted many to scoff at O�Neill.
He was wrong, but only in one respect � the projected deficit, even without a financial bailout, will almost certainly be higher.
This means a lot, for every bridge not built, every Pell grant not given to a kid who may never go to college without one, every national park road left to crumble, every sick person who cannot afford to see a doctor in a country that wants to be known as the best on earth.
Historians will also go to Scott McClellan, the former White House press secretary. Bush may not be a �high functioning moron,� as Paul Begala called him recently. He is �plenty smart enough to be president,� McClellan wrote this year. But McClellan, in his job as the president�s mouthpiece, found him chronically incurious. He also said Bush deliberately misled the country into war, and in that effort, the news media were �complicit enablers.�
Historians will recall that in each of the major disasters on Bush�s watch, there were ample warnings � from the intelligence briefing that Osama bin Laden was determined to strike a month before the lethal blow, to the projections that Hurricane Katrina could drown a major American city, to the expressed fears that letting Wall Street regulate itself could be catastrophic.
Voluntary regulation. That phrase now joins �heckuva job, Brownie� and �mission accomplished� among those that will always be associated with the Bush presidency.
It�s painful now to realize, just as the economy craters and the world looks aghast at the United States, that the other cancer from the Bush presidency � his failure to even start the nation on the road to a new energy economy � gets short-changed during the triage of his final days.
Bush has hinted that his legacy will be about the war. So be it. He never caught bin Laden, the mass murderer who launched the raison d�etre of the Bush presidency.
But he did topple a paper army in Iraq, opening the drainage for our currency, blood and global reputation. It may go down as the longest, even costliest war in our history.
In a survey of scholars done earlier this year, just two of 109 historians said the Bush presidency would be judged a success. A majority said he would be the worst president ever.
But if you don�t trust those elites in academia, consider the president�s own base.
Bush leaves with his party in tatters. In the 28 states that register by affiliation, Democrats have picked up more than 2 million new voters this year while Republicans have lost 344,000. It seems only fitting that it was the last of the Bush dead-enders in Congress earlier this week who jumped ship when presented with the final horrendous hangover from this man who doesn�t drink.
If ever there was an argument for voting against politicians who are confident about their cluelessness, Bush is it. So it was heartening to see that a majority of the country, in some polls, now views Sarah Palin as unqualified to be president.
We may have learned something, even if Bush has not. |
http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/the-legacy/
hat happened to the calls for more tax cuts (for the rich) as the panacea for all the nation's ills?
Heckuva job, Georgie.
Perhaps the only consolation is that George Bush did not have a son named George Bush to perpetrate a third generation on the American people. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Every day it becomes clearer that Gore's loss in 2000 was one of the major turning points in US history. The great 'What if..?' |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| When oil is 10 to 20 dollars a barrel, and when the Soviet Union is down and out it is easy to look good managing the economy. |
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ddeubel
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The author forgot about Bush being the "Torturer in Chief" and also how he used the constitution as ass-wipe and thought of "the people" (Congress) as an annoyance which he swatted away with signing statements.
He also might of added (though not so important) that he couldn't put a coherent thought/statement together, if his life depended on it. A hick with money.
DD
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Gatsby
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sojourner1
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug
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I'm wondering why no one has capped him off yet, that is assinate him. He still might have that coming even after he leaves office. Not that I wish death upon him, he has opened us up to many vulnabilities and put us in a precarious position with his incompetant decisions. Someone's going to have a great deal of hate for him for his wrong doings.
I felt he should had been impeached years ago when he hastily declared war on Iraq and then signed the bankruptcy reform bill while giving unfair competitive advantages to corporations and executives. He sure cost the average America a lot and will continue to cost us big time and money for a long time to come. He's just a good ol' boy in the good ol' boy club. |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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I'm wondering why no one has capped him off yet, that is assinate him. He still might have that coming even after he leaves office. Not that I wish death upon him, he has opened us up to many vulnabilities and put us in a precarious position with his incompetant decisions. Someone's going to have a great deal of hate for him for his wrong doings.
I felt he should had been impeached years ago when he hastily declared war on Iraq and then signed the bankruptcy reform bill while giving unfair competitive advantages to corporations and executives. He sure cost the average America a lot and will continue to cost us big time and money for a long time to come. He's just a good ol' boy in the good ol' boy club. |
Your post has been forwarded the Dept. of the Treasury for evaluation.
Thank you for your thoughts. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
He also might of added (though not so important) that he couldn't put a coherent thought/statement together, if his life depended on it. A hick with money.
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You confuse ineloquence with lack of intelligence, though your confusion is understandable, given your posts. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| I'm wondering why no one has capped him off yet, that is assinate him. |
Because of Dick Cheney.
He is just one of the scariest guys ever put in the position of Vice President (that I am aware of). |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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What do you know! It looks like George Bush finally found a way to lower the price of gas:
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Gas Prices Drop Another 26 Cents
November 03, 2008 4:53 PM
ABC News' Charles Herman reports: The Energy Department reported Monday that retail gasoline prices dropped yet again as oil prices have plummeted. The latest government data shows that an average gallon of regular unleaded is now $2.40, down 26 cents. In the past two weeks, gasoline prices have dropped 52 cents.
The price of gasoline has now dropped for seven weeks. On Sept. 15, the average price for a gallon of gasoline was $3.84. With today�s news, the price has now dropped $1.44 or 37.5 percent.
And there's even more good news: compared to last year, drivers are paying 20.3 percent less per gallon today compared to a year ago ($3.01). |
http://blogs.abcnews.com/moneybeat/2008/11/abc-news-charle.html
Who knows, if the economy keeps headed in the same direction, gas may be down to $1.50 a gallon before he leaves office in 77 days.
http://inaugurationday2009.com/ |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: George Bush |
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| Gatsby wrote: |
George Bush thought he would be dead and gone by the time History would judge his presidency.
Boy, is he in for a surprise.
George Bush is now 62. I hope he lives a very long life, say another 30 years of waking up each morning to see History's verdict staring him in the face. That may sound cruel, but he is leaving the lives many people in tatters because of his incompetence. He will be lucky if it is only tens of millions of people, but it could become billions if the predicted global depression materializes, despite the bailout.
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Timothy Egan
October 1, 2008, 9:45 pm
The Legacy
Among the many dispiriting things to come out of Bob Woodward�s quartet of books on George W. Bush is his observation that the president has not changed since he first started talking to Woodward in 2001.
No growth. No evolution. No regrets.
�History,� Bush replied, when asked by Woodward how he would be judged over time. �We don�t know. We�ll all be dead.� Broke, as well.
It would have been nice to let Bush�s two terms marinate a while before invoking Herbert Hoover and James Buchanan from the cellar of worst presidents. But then � over the last two weeks � he completed the trilogy of national disasters that will be with us for a generation or more.
George Bush entered the White House as a proponent of a more humble foreign policy and a believer that government should get out of the way at home. He leaves as someone with a trillion-dollar war aimed at making people who�ve hated each other for a thousand years become Rotary Club freedom-lovers, and his own country close to bankruptcy after government did get out of the way.
It�s a Mount Rainier of shame and folly. But before going any further, let�s allow his supporters to have their say.
�He�s going to have an unbelievably great legacy,� said Laura Bush in an ABC interview, citing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. �Fifty million people liberated from very brutal regimes.�
Fred Barnes argues that Bush is a visionary on a par with Ronald Reagan and Franklin D. Roosevelt. �Bush is a president who leads,� he wrote in a 2006 book. �He controls the national agenda, uses his presidential power to the fullest and then some, prepares far-reaching polices likely to change the way Americans live, reverses other long-standing polices and is the foremost leader in world affairs.�
Finally, from Karl Rove, the Architect. Bush will be viewed �as a far-sighted leader who confronted the key test of the 21st century,� he said.
After wading through books with words like �fiasco,� �hubris� and �denial� in the title, historians will go to first-hand sources, the people who worked with Bush daily. There they will find Paul O�Neill, the president�s former Treasury secretary. In 2002, he sounded an alarm, saying Bush�s rash economic policies could lead to a deficit of $500 billion. This, after Bush had inherited a budget surplus, prompted many to scoff at O�Neill.
He was wrong, but only in one respect � the projected deficit, even without a financial bailout, will almost certainly be higher.
This means a lot, for every bridge not built, every Pell grant not given to a kid who may never go to college without one, every national park road left to crumble, every sick person who cannot afford to see a doctor in a country that wants to be known as the best on earth.
Historians will also go to Scott McClellan, the former White House press secretary. Bush may not be a �high functioning moron,� as Paul Begala called him recently. He is �plenty smart enough to be president,� McClellan wrote this year. But McClellan, in his job as the president�s mouthpiece, found him chronically incurious. He also said Bush deliberately misled the country into war, and in that effort, the news media were �complicit enablers.�
Historians will recall that in each of the major disasters on Bush�s watch, there were ample warnings � from the intelligence briefing that Osama bin Laden was determined to strike a month before the lethal blow, to the projections that Hurricane Katrina could drown a major American city, to the expressed fears that letting Wall Street regulate itself could be catastrophic.
Voluntary regulation. That phrase now joins �heckuva job, Brownie� and �mission accomplished� among those that will always be associated with the Bush presidency.
It�s painful now to realize, just as the economy craters and the world looks aghast at the United States, that the other cancer from the Bush presidency � his failure to even start the nation on the road to a new energy economy � gets short-changed during the triage of his final days.
Bush has hinted that his legacy will be about the war. So be it. He never caught bin Laden, the mass murderer who launched the raison d�etre of the Bush presidency.
But he did topple a paper army in Iraq, opening the drainage for our currency, blood and global reputation. It may go down as the longest, even costliest war in our history.
In a survey of scholars done earlier this year, just two of 109 historians said the Bush presidency would be judged a success. A majority said he would be the worst president ever.
But if you don�t trust those elites in academia, consider the president�s own base.
Bush leaves with his party in tatters. In the 28 states that register by affiliation, Democrats have picked up more than 2 million new voters this year while Republicans have lost 344,000. It seems only fitting that it was the last of the Bush dead-enders in Congress earlier this week who jumped ship when presented with the final horrendous hangover from this man who doesn�t drink.
If ever there was an argument for voting against politicians who are confident about their cluelessness, Bush is it. So it was heartening to see that a majority of the country, in some polls, now views Sarah Palin as unqualified to be president.
We may have learned something, even if Bush has not. |
http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/the-legacy/
hat happened to the calls for more tax cuts (for the rich) as the panacea for all the nation's ills?
Heckuva job, Georgie.
Perhaps the only consolation is that George Bush did not have a son named George Bush to perpetrate a third generation on the American people. |
What is the cause of the budget deficts? Why don't you tell us?
There have been two recessions the first one started before Bush was president.
The Nasdaq meltdown of 2000 started before Bush was president.
As for oil there is less of it. See that Statoil of Norway just missed earnings despite record prices a few months ago. And China and India are using more of it.
and 9-11 was planned before Bush was president. The 9-11 hijackers were even in the US before Bush was president.
When the article brought that up you knew it was one sided and hysterical. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Every day it becomes clearer that Gore's loss in 2000 was one of the major turning points in US history. The great 'What if..?' |
and the world |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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The Bush Legacy:
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Belief that country heading in right direction is at all-time low
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- On the day that President-elect Barack Obama visited the White House, a new national poll illustrates the daunting challenges he faces when it becomes his home next year.
President-elect Barack Obama walks along the White House Colonnade with President Bush on Monday.
Only 16 percent of those questioned in a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday say things are going well in the country today. That's an all-time low. Eighty-three percent say things are going badly, which is an all-time high.
"The challenge Obama faces has never been greater. No president has ever come to office during a time when the public's mood has been this low. In the 34 years that this question has been asked, the number who say things are going well has never fallen below 20 percent," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director.
The 83 percent saying things are going badly is "more than in 1992, when the first President Bush was ousted because of the economy, stupid. That's more than in 1980, when President Carter got fired after the malaise crisis. That's more than in 1975, after Watergate and the Nixon pardon," said Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst....
The all-time low on the public's mood may have something to do with the poll's finding that President Bush is the most unpopular president since approval ratings were first sought more than six decades ago. Seventy-six percent of those questioned in the poll disapprove of how he is handling his job.
That's an all-time high in CNN polling and in Gallup polling dating back to World War II.
"No other president's disapproval rating has gone higher than 70 percent. Bush has managed to do that three times so far this year," Holland said. "That means that Bush is now more unpopular than Richard Nixon was when he resigned from office during Watergate with a 66 percent disapproval rating."... |
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/10/bush.transition.poll/
Way to go, Bushie! You're doing a heckuva job. |
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Tater
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
| A hick with money. |
One has to wonder if he had a painting of dogs playing poker or Elvis on velvet in the oval office. He seems the type. |
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undauntedoh
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| the worse president ever..possible |
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